Victor had a conscience and Victor was often balanced by the people around him. He was never allowed to be too arrogant without paying a price. The superstud action hero Victor who is always right and who has relegated Nikki to the role of rarely seen housefrau did not start until recently.

+1

I'm a Chilly fan, and I know for a fact that Billy is Billy own worse enemy. Even after MAc and Billy went their own separate ways Billy still didn't make his way back to Chloe.

I hope we not turning out like the Lame fans who can't get over that Cane cause 70% of Lame problems becvause he's a fraud. But Lame fans still balme Chloe.

Exactly!

Victor had a conscience and Victor was often balanced by the people around him. He was never allowed to be too arrogant without paying a price. The superstud action hero Victor who is always right and who has relegated Nikki to the role of rarely seen housefrau did not start until recently.

The legacy of LML.

Carl, it makes me want to throw up. I just want to know who the FU@K wrote that twist about Liz saying she was lying before? If they wanted to finally reveal who Jill's birth parents are, Liz could have just said that she hired an investigator and found out. Instead what they did wrecked the honest character of a beloved Matron on her DEATHBED, not to mention COMPLETELY contradicting what was written before with total carelessness... it's obvious Liz was not aware of who Jill's birth parents were, but was also MAD AS HELL when she ALSO thought it was Katherine.

(I cut out the video since all you have to do is go to the last page to see it)

I agree with you. They just casually rewrite history without a care for how it makes the characters look. Has it only been a year since Phillip returned with a horrific butchering of his character, and not a care in the world from him about what he had done? And where was Phillip now? Too busy dealing with evil cattle rustlers to see his dying grandmother? Why do you use your show's history as confetti?? This stuff is pointless and somehow they think they need to become even more pointless. And I say this as a fan of Lauren and Jill. I'm sure someone who started watching more recently and has been trained by the show to not care about either of them will probably be even more annoyed.

They obviously think they are somehow "honoring" history with this BS, even though they just slap together a half-assed effort.

Victor has been vile since he first appeared in GC, I would imagine. He has certainly been vile since I first watched Y&R, c.1990. This is one of the things I find so funny about Y&R criticism in general. Genoa City has never been populated by nice people. It has always been a place that puts the welcome mat out for, and nurtures, psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists, and those with borderline personality disorder.

Yes, it certainly HAS been poulated by nice people. that's what we're bemoaning, the complete lack of good characters to balance out the bad. the good characters were:

Stuart Brooks

Leslie Brooks

Liz Foster

Brock Reynolds

John Abbott

Traci Abbott

Cricket

Amy Lewis

Olivia Barber

Paul Williams

Paul is really the only one left. And he gets bupkus for SL most times. He should be the TRUE hero of this show, not that wrinkled old bastard.

Victor had a conscience and Victor was often balanced by the people around him. He was never allowed to be too arrogant without paying a price. The superstud action hero Victor who is always right and who has relegated Nikki to the role of rarely seen housefrau did not start until recently.

Didn't Victor keep people in cages, or dungeons, back in the day?

Victor was redeemed by his love for Nikki & their children.

The problem is LML took Grambo & every other character so beyond who & what they were they can't be fixed.

Victor was redeemed by his love for Nikki & their children.

If you say so.

Reclaim your dignity Red. Dump Nick now, before your desperate attempt to hold on to that loser goes any further.

Aunt Jack has nothing better to do but counsel Giggly Heffa about her love life?

Didn't Victor keep people in cages, or dungeons, back in the day?

I love how people keep bringing this up despite the fact it happened almost 30 years ago and has since been rectified. We need fresher examples!

Anyway,

Jess Walton is a Goddess. There are no words to describe her. The fact that she was so heartbreaking despite awful writing and direction says it all. She never falters--never.

But why the rush? I mean, really. We have Liz's death and the reveal in the same episode? Pace yourselves, bitches, pace yourselves.

We have Liz's death and the reveal in the same episode? Pace yourselves, bitches, pace yourselves.

SHE DIDN'T EVEN GET A FUNERAL!

Disgraceful.