1 minute ago, Cat said:

Robyn IMO has been struggling with latent depression for years. With the pandemic she has leaned into some old coping habits. People may feel she is a bore, but I appreciate that Potomac shows that middle-class experiences can be precarious and change on a dime. I was actually gripped by Robyn and Juan's conversation. 

EXACTLY! It's REAL and it's RELATABLE to viewers watching, and the struggles they may have been going through. I don't share the same sentiments as Robyn, as I loved being home and not leaving my house for four-months... but I completely understand how much of a struggle it is for others.

2 minutes ago, Cat said:

1. Ray's ding-dong is broken.

NEW. Unconfirmed (and Ray is not going to pull out a doctor's report on this). Therefore, verdict: hard to verify. May Bravo never try.

Oh, the puns in this.

4 minutes ago, Cat said:

2. There's some cheatin' goin on.

REPEAT. In S3 Gizelle said Ray had heart-eyes for Giz's business partner Erika Lyles (if the ding-dong is broken tho... 💀). That same season, Ashley said that Karen was having an affair with Blue Eyes, who may or may not have been Ray's chauffeur?

Verdict: we will see if Gizelle continues to ride this horse, but a good ole cheatin' rumor worked before (Michael Darby, Karen, Monique, Jamal). This always has potential to be a stinger.

3. The Hugers are Broke.

REPEAT from S3 and S4. We all saw the empty house in Great Falls rented for filming. I do think the Hs squared up with the IRS (as anyone with a braincell would), and now Karen is jumping on every business opportunity to (as they say) Maximise Revenue Streams.

Verdict: Potomac's portrayal of middle-class existence is financially precarious. Robyn has had tough times, Wendy has student debt, Candiace has Ms. Dorothy, Ashley is reliant on Michael. This may not be the big scandal Gizelle thinks it is, unless Karen maintains a tangled web of lies around it. 

Conclusion: If Gizelle is serious about exposing Karen's truth and nothing but -- this may not be enough. Also, two can play that game, and Gizelle is deluding herself if she thinks Karen will quake with fear and take this lying down. Karen has exceptionally quick comebacks, and she's got a lot in the vault on Gizelle, too -- starting with Jamal and whether that relationship is even real. So... 💀 evenly matched.

My problem is how bothered Karen [almost] immediately becomes when certain things are brought up, yet, when brought up to Gizelle, the reaction is not nearly as... bothersome. I think, for Gizelle, it hurts and from my perspective, she probably feels like if she shares how she's feeling, while clearly wanting to work on a relationship with someone she loves but shouldn't be with, and feels like if she shares it'll be used against her, specifically from Karen of all people.

Honestly, Gizelle vs. Karen has been a staple since its introduction in the first season, and it is going to be even more prominent in this current season.

1 minute ago, Liberty City said:

EXACTLY! It's REAL and it's RELATABLE to viewers watching, and the struggles they may have been going through. I don't share the same sentiments as Robyn, as I loved being home and not leaving my house for four-months... but I completely understand how much of a struggle it is for others.

Oh, the puns in this.

My problem is how bothered Karen [almost] immediately becomes when certain things are brought up, yet, when brought up to Gizelle, the reaction is not nearly as... bothersome. I think, for Gizelle, it hurts and from my perspective, she probably feels like if she shares how she's feeling, while clearly wanting to work on a relationship with someone she loves but shouldn't be with, and feels like if she shares it'll be used against her, specifically from Karen of all people.

Honestly, Gizelle vs. Karen has been a staple since its introduction in the first season, and it is going to be even more prominent in this current season.

Mutually assured destruction. Both women feel if the share ANYTHNG with the other, if they allow even a moment of vulnerability to shine through the chink in their Armor, the other will run with it. Use it against them. BTW everything you wrote about Gizelle, I feel relates 100% to Karen. She is still deeply hurt by the #FreeUncleBen stuff and the Ray insinuations (why else would the Hugers be renewing their vows on national TV?).  They really are two sides of the same coin sometimes.

Totally. The Robyn/Juan stuff is the most relatable impact of Covid I have seen on the RH shows thus far. It's incredible how lockdown can do a number on your mental state without you fully realising it. And the serious problems the Dixons had in their marriage a few years back (money taken by a best friend who later committed suicide, her shutting down emotionally, his affairs) were a previous manifestation of this for Robyn. 

5 minutes ago, Cat said:

Mutually assured destruction. Both women feel if the share ANYTHNG with the other, if they allow even a moment of vulnerability to shine through the chink in their Armor, the other will run with it. Use it against them. BTW everything you wrote about Gizelle, I feel relates 100% to Karen. She is still deeply hurt by the #FreeUncleBen stuff and the Ray insinuations (why else would the Hugers be renewing their vows on national TV?).  They really are two sides of the same coin sometimes.

I think if Gizelle and Karen sat down one day, and were both just honest with each other, they could find common ground passed the hurt. Because, like you said: they're two sides of the same coin sometimes.

6 minutes ago, Cat said:

Totally. The Robyn/Juan stuff is the most relatable impact of Covid I have seen on the RH shows thus far. It's incredible how lockdown can do a number on your mental state without you fully realising it. And the serious problems the Dixons had in their marriage a few years back (money taken by a best friend who later committed suicide, her shutting down emotionally, his affairs) were a previous manifestation of this for Robyn. 

Exactly. This has been a boiling point for Robyn and her mental health, and I think Juan see's this and is manifesting it in a way he only knows how (ie, mentioning how unattractive she's been by staying in bed and being unmotivated).
Is it the best way? No. But, I don't see it as malicious on Juan's behalf.

This is sitting on my timeline and I hope it is just an unsubstantiated rumor. One reason I think it might be is... Radar Online. The other is that Bravo really makes no decision until they see how Reunion pans out and how the audience takes it.

Not sure firing Ramona solves RHONY's problems. People want Leah gone, not her.

 

24 minutes ago, Cat said:

Not sure firing Ramona solves RHONY's problems. People want Leah gone, not her.

 

If this had been at the end of last season I would have been delighted. I really can't take much of Ramona's hypocrisy and BS. But this season has clearly underscored how much better the show is with veterans to anchor it so this is the wrong direction. I agree some newbies should be on chopping block instead - and the cast expanded some. But of course it is not entirely incompatible with Ramona being gone.
On the plus side, considering the nasty gloating things she was saying about Dorinda's firing before the season premiere, the karma would be delish.
 

1 hour ago, Liberty City said:

My problem is how bothered Karen [almost] immediately becomes when certain things are brought up, yet, when brought up to Gizelle, the reaction is not nearly as... bothersome. I think, for Gizelle, it hurts and from my perspective, she probably feels like if she shares how she's feeling, while clearly wanting to work on a relationship with someone she loves but shouldn't be with, and feels like if she shares it'll be used against her, specifically from Karen of all people.

Honestly, Gizelle vs. Karen has been a staple since its introduction in the first season, and it is going to be even more prominent in this current season.

I abolutely adore that frenemy relationship. But I am grateful that I hear pointed out the obvious: which is, no, Karen is not "unbothered" and it is pretty easy to "find her". I like her "I am above you" quips but they are just that.
The initial tone of the reaction of the premiere were a bit too unbalanced towards GDW (Grand Dame Worship) for me so I am happier reading the new entries in the thread this morning.

38 minutes ago, Cat said:

People want Leah gone, not her.

Speaking of that…

 

25 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

Speaking of that…

 

He's not wrong.

That doesn't necessarily mean she's going anywhere, though. 🤔

33 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

I abolutely adore that frenemy relationship. But I am grateful that I hear pointed out the obvious: which is, no, Karen is not "unbothered" and it is pretty easy to "find her". I like her "I am above you" quips but they are just that.
The initial tone of the reaction of the premiere were a bit too unbalanced towards GDW (Grand Dame Worship) for me so I am happier reading the new entries in the thread this morning.

Oh, there will likely be more GDW to come from me, just so you know! I think she's ace entertainment. ☺️ And while Karen does fall back on the 'I'm above you' quips when she is feeling threatened, she is also very good at landing an A+ read (as many a reunion has also shown). "Ejaculate. Pro Cree Ate."

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by Cat

1 hour ago, Cat said:

This is sitting on my timeline and I hope it is just an unsubstantiated rumor. One reason I think it might be is... Radar Online. The other is that Bravo really makes no decision until they see how Reunion pans out and how the audience takes it.

Not sure firing Ramona solves RHONY's problems. People want Leah gone, not her.

Not going to lie... but it's overdue for Ramona Singer to be axed. I get why she wouldn't, but the past few years of her have been insufferable.... just like Luann.

7 minutes ago, Cat said:

That doesn't necessarily mean she's going anywhere, though. 🤔

It’ll be interesting to see how things play out for the remainder of the season…

15 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

It’ll be interesting to see how things play out for the remainder of the season…

Or a reunion implosion à la Dorinda.

Ramona is RHONY. Leah and Eboni are the ones who have ruined the show for me. 

It was about time. Bravo hasnt been subtle about getting rid of OGs across the board

1 hour ago, Cat said:

He's not wrong.

That doesn't necessarily mean she's going anywhere, though. 🤔

Oh, there will likely be more GDW to come from me, just so you know! I think she's ace entertainment. ☺️ And while Karen does fall back on the 'I'm above you' quips when she is feeling threatened, she is also very good at landing an A+ read (as many a reunion has also shown). "Ejaculate. Pro Cree Ate."

From quite a few people.  As we discussed at the end of the lasts reunion...It is not worship, but we know how La Dame is and love her for it. There is a difference between being a passionate fan and a stan. If liking someone is too much of a trigger, best to buckle up.  

41 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

It was about time. Bravo hasnt been subtle about getting rid of OGs across the board

I thought you liked Ramona, Cheap!

So now they're saying the All-Stars cast is cursed! Two (allegedly) down...

 

Speaking of All-Stars, much as I enjoy most in this cast, the true All-Stars cast should have been: 

Nene. Kenya. Jill Zarin. Bethenny. Teresa. Caroline Manzo. LVP. Brandi.

22 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

Listen I do not want to turn myself into a Karen basher coz I love Karen.

But she didn't own it. She spent the entire reunion of that season deflecting and refusing to answer any factual question. At times with legit complaints about the timing and manner of it all.

But she never OWNED the fact she had been BSing everything that season. Everybody moved on the next season and those particular issues were never explored in depth again. That's definitely clever of her to have managed to deflect it so well. But that's not owning it.

I doubt Gizelle will be given as much leeway to bulldoze through her own receipts and everyone's mileage will vary on whether Karen earned more leeway or what not but no. Karen does not own her own BS anymore than the others.
She is just slicker which, great for her! But I am not there for pretending she is above it all.

Good to see you like La Dame. That was not clear when we talked about it last.  

 

Actually YES, she did. It was addressed. Was the answer to your liking? It does not sound like it. But that is her business. But at least she is not at all continuing it as some storyline. But  to stay on point...she answered it. And it continued to be bought up past that season. Even now in Sunday's opener, it was. Does it bother her when it comes up, why yes it does. She is human. lol.

Nor should Gizelle be giving that leeway. Especially since she is continuing a fake storyline that we all saw have receipts proving as such. 

 

Now to repeat what I said above...and a few months ago...there are different opinions here and we like other opinions to debate with here. It has been very clear that a lot of people like La Dame, flaws and all. No one says she is perfect and part of the reason for that is she does play this Housewife game well. Given that appears to be a trigger, I did warn you that you might be in for a bumpy ride given how well liked La Dame is here. I do agree that she and Gizelle have an interesting dynamic and any of us will pop off when...and let me emphasize this EITHER...do something right (for example I do like Gizelle step up her fashion game) or wrong (example Pastor Holy Whore story continuing). If liking La Dame is going to be that clear of a trigger, I did mention months ago to be ready. 

 

We all have opinions. They will differ. As long as no one throws out a backhand compliment as an observation and come across with a harsh tone in their replies (PS apologies if you feel this is one since I do not want a repeat of the last time we discussed this) I hope we good. Going forward I hope for the same. 

3 hours ago, Cat said:

Like @Taoboi said -- RHOP was Bravo's best-kept secret which only the cool kids (well, us obvs ) knew about. When last season aired, the network kind of woke up and realised that Potomac is its best show. Bravo is now holding RHOP ever closer to its breast & whispering "Precious, Precious."

We are already starting to see a glow-up. Candiace got a big new house in the boondocks. Gizelle threw off her fur jacket to reveal a shimmery, boss-lady new look. Wendy dined with Karen, a fur stole thrown over her shoulder like this is 1940s film noir. Physically, Wendy is borderline unrecognisable to me, and it's not just the bubbies. Something changed on the face and I can't tell what it is, if it was plastic surgery or just fancy contouring.

As a 'person,' this didn't feel like the Wendy I had known either. She was performing a script at the dinner party. I think production put pressure on her to 'relaunch' herself. Eddie is as sweet as ever and their two boys are so cute and pure. ☺️

Robyn IMO has been struggling with latent depression for years. With the pandemic she has leaned into some old coping habits. People may feel she is a bore, but I appreciate that Potomac shows that middle-class experiences can be precarious and change on a dime. I was actually gripped by Robyn and Juan's conversation. 

 

Hi! I am K Anon, and that IS an act of petty sacrilege. How dare you side-track us from our plot to have La Dame installed as the new host of WWHL. 💀

J/k! ☺️ Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion and surely they can express it on here. With this episode, I didn't need to call Karen out because Gizelle was already doing the work for me! And for the rest of the season, if I'm to understand her correctly. However, if it's anything like she said in the episode, much of this was raised in S3. (Incidentally, the season I really started liking Karen. Not because I am blind to her faults or her fakery, but because I couldn't bear seeing 3-4 people rejoicing in her misfortune. If Gizelle wants to know why Karen wasn't a friend at reunion, that is why. The animosity all stems from S3).

So let's see what Gizelle said about Karen's dirt:

1. Ray's ding-dong is broken.

NEW. Unconfirmed (and Ray is not going to pull out a doctor's report on this). Therefore, verdict: hard to verify. May Bravo never try.

2. There's some cheatin' goin on.

REPEAT. In S3 Gizelle said Ray had heart-eyes for Giz's business partner Erika Lyles (if the ding-dong is broken tho... 💀). That same season, Ashley said that Karen was having an affair with Blue Eyes, who may or may not have been Ray's chauffeur?

Verdict: we will see if Gizelle continues to ride this horse, but a good ole cheatin' rumor worked before (Michael Darby, Karen, Monique, Jamal). This always has potential to be a stinger.

3. The Hugers are Broke.

REPEAT from S3 and S4. We all saw the empty house in Great Falls rented for filming. I do think the Hs squared up with the IRS (as anyone with a braincell would), and now Karen is jumping on every business opportunity to (as they say) Maximise Revenue Streams.

Verdict: Potomac's portrayal of middle-class existence is financially precarious. Robyn has had tough times, Wendy has student debt, Candiace has Ms. Dorothy, Ashley is reliant on Michael. This may not be the big scandal Gizelle thinks it is, unless Karen maintains a tangled web of lies around it. 

Conclusion: If Gizelle is serious about exposing Karen's truth and nothing but -- this may not be enough. Also, two can play that game, and Gizelle is deluding herself if she thinks Karen will quake with fear and take this lying down. Karen has exceptionally quick comebacks, and she's got a lot in the vault on Gizelle, too -- starting with Jamal and whether that relationship is even real. So... 💀 evenly matched.

That WHO SAID THAT gif took me all the way out. HAHAHA

 

But I basically said the same (but you did it so much better with what has been seen )as well since I would like to sidestep a repeat of the start of the year when we talked about this. Cuz...flaws and all is La Dame.