Y&R: Potpourri Thread 4

[DRW50]

Tatum could play another ex-stripper Sonny got hooked on drugs, like Karen Wexler. Now she wants payback.

[Chris B]

She needs to play someone trashy or at least with a trashy background. You can't give her too much power, as Wicked Wicked Games showed. She was a bit much although I did love that show.

[bellcurve]

Someone used to post all the Wicked Wicked Games/Fashion House videos until they got shut down by the YouTube police.

Tatum O'Neal was talented enough to give this role the extra crazy it warranted. Even when they had her talking to herself on the webcam, it was just great. She would have actually attempted to make Patty Jane a more layered, sympathetic character. No offense to Haiduk, but she can't play that type of crazy. She can definitely do cocky, manipulative scheming bitch. But she can't do all out psycho.

I'd love to see Sonny with a Tatum O'Neal love interest. She'd adapt to that cold, wannabe film-star style of acting that they all want to do over there.

Not to mention, Tatum O'Neal has explosive chemistry with just about everyone she shares the screen with.

+1

[DaytimeFan]

Jaclyn Smith would never do daytime, she is a mogul thanks to K-Mart...super rich.

I find Jess Walton very, very sexy. But that's just me.

[Sylph]

I remember those videos and I remember when they took them down.

But now there are full Fashion House episodes on YT. Someone from Sweden or some other Nordic country posted them.

Yup.

[Sylph]

BTW, Tatum stars in Last Will:

Sounds like a cliché, but fun.

[DRW50]

Did all you Tatum fans watch her on Dancing with the Stars? She was fascinating, and not a bad dancer, although she only lasted two episodes. I think she was a bit much for people, especially when she slapped her partner in the face.

[MarkH]

For me, it was an inherent vulnerability and sweetness, mixed up with the emotions of insecurity/vulnerability (since her Jill was always under threat) and the naked materialistic ambition. In all the time she was married to John Abbott, I never quite knew whether Adair's Jill was using him for money, using him to replace P2, using him to taunt Jack, using him to replace the daddy who abandoned her, using him to get a place in society, or whether she sincerely loved him. Moreover, I kind of believed all of the above were true, and Adair channeled each of those pieces of complex emotion over top of one another.

By the time Dickson returned, it was fairly sure that Jill was using him for money and prestige...and that was about it. I found there to be no nuance (ironically, Dickson had ALL that nuance during her first run, at least in the P2 years).

Jess Walton has more capability to play that whole mix of stuff...but unlike Adair, I never totally saw any hints of sweetness in her. Oh, she can soften and get hurt...but I find no shreds of the sweet young girl left in her.

This is not unrealistic. I could imagine that a woman like Jill would, at this point, be hardened and sexualized. But Adair's Jill managed to avoid all that (IMO).

It also helped that Bond Gideon/Deborah Adair came on during Y&R's famous transition period (when the Brooks/Fosters were being phased out), and was an interesting bridge between the old and the new. Adair's Jill was unavoidably more sophisticated than Dickson's was, but it kind of worked with the transition to a big business environment that was focused on glamor.

They even touched on the transition, once, when Jill confessed to Andy Richards (Steven Ford) that she used to be a "mousy young girl" (which was believably an earlier incarnation of Dickson's Jill) and had become this more sophisticated woman.

Of course, when Dickson returned, we saw few shreds of either sophistication OR the mousy girl. Jill had become a vamp in expensive clothes who was always searching for her keylight and cue cards. (IMO, sorry Alphanguy).

Those are your clips? I love what is there...what I meant was that I could only find four Jill clips involving Adair (my searching may be bad). There used to be a great fourth (posted by a German woman who found a digital clip of the brief era when Dickson (second stint) was ill, and Adair stepped in for a few days. It was so nice seeing her in that high powered/executive business suit mode. I guess that would have been in the post-Abbott-divorce era?

I admit that Adair had zero impact on the canvas on Dynasty. I don't know if she was 'awful' (my memory is not that specific), but she was definitely forgettable.

I think that's part of it. Adair as a person, and as Jill, was not 'showy'. I really appreciated that understated approach...all of her acting was with her eyes and subtle voice inflections.

I remember during the Adair period, there were a LOT of scenes with Jill where her back was to her scene partner, and we got to see her face while the partner (e.g., John Abbott) was talking to her. We could see the play of emotions on Jill's face, and that they were often at odds with what she was saying or ostensibly feeling.

[YRBB]

The second one.

[Sylph]

No. I don't like that show.

But I did just read about how she vas "very vocal" about her exit. Whatever that means.

[DRW50]

She went on to be a reporter for ET that season so she must not have been too outspoken, but she was a bit of a live wire on the show. I don't see the rehearsal clips on Youtube, but in the second one she argued with her partner and slapped him in the face. She said it was meant as a joke, but some fans were uneasy, and I think that helped get her eliminated the second week.

[bellcurve]

I know where those are. One of my favorite moments is when Maria fires Nikki. LOL. I still wish the clip I posted of Maria dissing the models for being fat was still up. That was fun.

I wonder if it's being released to theaters or if it's just a TV Movie project?

OMG! For real?! I need to find that clip somewhere.

Tatum O'Neal is just a bucket of fun. She's so much fun to watch.

[Sylph]

It's apparently an indie drama and it was shot around Kansas City and in Missouri.

[bellcurve]

Cool.

[Sylph]

Clearly.