Excellent point Carl. The other thing that bothered me about that scene was how poorly Viki treated Tina in comparison to Todd. Poor Tina was banished by Viki for doing the exact thing and at least Tina tried to help.

That still bothers me. I don't blame Viki because I know they were doing that based on Andrea leaving whereas Todd was going nowhere but I really think it was a black eye to Viki as a character, because the Todd she knew and loved was gone and in spite of the heavy propping of him over the last year I don't think he's come back. I just don't sense any believable bond between Todd and Viki at this point. After all the time that has passed and after the half-heartedness of the scene I wish they hadn't even had Todd bring it up.

The only person in the Lord family who really matters to those at ABC or the show or whatever is Todd, who has been oddly absent for most of this story, perhaps because of the parallels between Todd and Mitch which don't fit the romantic hero/devoted dad/long-suffering soul Todd. Even then, it was jarring to see Friday's show, where Viki brushed off the despicable things Todd allowed to happen to Jessica when she was Tess, and at the same time...Mitch was doing despicable things to Jessica.

Oh yeah, that was the other offensive thing about Friday's show - Todd's hollow apology and Viki's half-hearted forgiveness of him. I don't buy that Todd is somehow better than Mitch, when as far as I can see, the only reason that Todd has not electro-shocked Starr is because even ABC realizes that would be too gruesome for viewers to accept Todd sticking around longterm. Although, now that Todd has been "successfully" redeemed for the rapemance (successful, other than OLTL is now the lowest rated soap) maybe that could be the May sweeps story.

but was there any room for the possibility that on tomorrow's show he's going to reveal that his plan is really to have one of his followers impregnate Jessica or something?

Chances are, Mitch has impregnated Allison Perkins, but he wants Jess to be the surrogate. Or something.

I truly don't understand what it is about the Mitch character that has inspired such ugly, ugly, ugly stories in his past two returns. Roscoe Born oozed sex appeal as a young leading man and has only aged beautifully into a dashingly handsome middle-aged man. I didn't even watch OLTL in the '80s, but the scene I most associate with this character is not anything to do with his last two stints but rather a clip I saw on YouTube or something years ago of Mitch and Tina going at it on top of a pile of money that they had swindled from Dorian or Viki or someone. How did the show's concept of Mitch get from there to here?

Thank you.

I have to disagree, Carl, I don't think this current Mitch story has anything whatsoever to do with, directly or thematically, Victor and Vicki. I wish it did--then at least there'd seem some connection with the inanity and the show...

Word. Rape is bad enough, but when you add in the incest it's just too much.

ITA. There is a problem when I'm genuninely concerned for Stacy and annoyed and disgusted about what's happening to Jessica.

Excellent point Carl. The other thing that bothered me about that scene was how poorly Viki treated Tina in comparison to Todd. Poor Tina was banished by Viki for doing the exact thing and at least Tina tried to help.

Ugh! I hated that especially since Tina kept quiet against her will. Tess kept threatening to sic Carlo on Sarah and Tina felt she did what she had to do to keep her daughter safe bc Carlo had tried to kill her months earlier. Who was Todd protecting? No one but himself. Tina was treated horribly by Viki in comparison to Todd

I have to disagree, Carl, I don't think this current Mitch story has anything whatsoever to do with, directly or thematically, Victor and Vicki. I wish it did--then at least there'd seem some connection with the inanity and the show...

I think the threats of incest are a callback to Victor and Viki. They haven't said it blatantly this time but last time around Mitch basically said he was Victor and I think he may have even called Jessica Viki.

No, I see what you're seeing Carl, and in general, it's this show's penchant for turning complex, shaded, and to varying degrees, sick fathers like Mitch, Victor, and Carlo into D.C. Comic Supervillains. There's no denying that Mitch was always a creep, but this crap is straight up Grand Guignol. He's lost all of the smarmy charm and finesse of this type of character who fans (female ones especially) can't help but find themselves on the fence about. When I started watching OLTL daily it was during Lord of the Banner/DID, and as crazy as it sounds, Victor was one of my favorite characters. And I'm not talking dream sequences/newly created flashbacks or anything, but this guy's history (a lot newly created) was so fascinating to me. It's like the show managed to smooth over all of the campy history they'd created for the character in the '80s, and there was now this dark, moody, complex, mature take on the character. And within years, they'd thrown that all away with that Heart of a Lord nonsense. After this run, I never want to see Mitch again. Not unless they take a VERY different, grown-up approach to this guy. This is a mess.