If you want to explore more GL, here is a good place to start. The script of this scene should be framed and hung at in a museum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a7NwMRR3Cc

Thanks, Dan, I'll check it out!

1991-1993 was a renaissance for the show, correct? Some even call it a golden era.

1991 to 1993 are good years..some of the best..but I do think 1989 has some great moments like the climax of Sonni/Reva/josh...will jefferies downfall...Roger Thorpe being unmasked at Blake and Phillips wedding..etc. to understand 1991 to 1993....I think you'd have to go back to 1989 and even 1990...build up.years to the golden era of 1991 to 1993.

^^^^^Ms. Garrett is marvelous in that episode. It pisses me off that she never gets the credit she deserves and never won an Emmy.

I agree wholeheartedly. There were a couple of years where I thought she deserved to win, hands down.

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The Santos weren't so bad... they like everything else of that era had potential but was it was squandered as everything had to be BIG and all characters lost all subtlety. It could have been very interesting if they followed up with the orginal ideas of contrasting them with the law and order Bauers..but to make it worth a long term story the family should have been more shady then out right mobsters, with ties to organized crime...(for example..after Papa Santos dies Carmen made an effort to take them out of that world that is why they moved to the midwest, but old habits die hard especially if Carmen consistently failed in her attempts to enter SF society. The over riding mystery should have been Carmen...who would go on and on about what a great man Papa was, actually killed him in self defense. ) But they should have brought Mike in as her nemesis, paired her with Alan...( in her attempt to climb up out of the gutter, and I was so sick of RR with younger women...) and Alex was her main block to legitimate society and business. Carmen would hate Michele for killing her son (also seeing herself in Michelle and her husband in her thug of a son and all the guilt) but also want to use the Bauers to make a better life for her family. Alan is turned off by having someone actually as devious as he is..though not crazy like Annie..they end up actually being a good match which makes Alex on her guard..etc. The actress could have been good but they camped her out so much what could she do.

Also, it would have been interesting to contrast the Bauer family, who were immigrants but made it good, to a new immigrant family who aren't so good.

I thjnk Jordi could have worked (at first I laughed at him and thought of him as an underwear model) as he did have some acting..he tried, and he did have charisma, but we were all fed up with the Santos by then and Marah and he were a rerun. He would have been good as a cop or something who hated the family.

The Prancing Princes never worked for me but I did like Edmund..always thought he would be good as another character, say the real Spaulding heir who didn't actually die (I have no idea how to explain that) and it would be funny to see Phillip knocked off his golden boy throne.

Love this!

1993 is more hype than reality. If you can accept a lot of Justin Deas yelling and spitting in a bad New Yawk accent, you may enjoy it.

1993 had some interesting stuff with Jenna winning spaulding, nadine's scheme of pretending to be pregnant with Billy's back y exposed, Julie/Dylan's wedding being crashed by Bridget, and I thought Eve Guthries descent into madness then fight back to sanity was quite good...plus holly and Michelle at the cliff house with ed rescuing roger from falling over the cliff.

Some good stuff in 1993..imho

1991 to 1993 are good years..some of the best..but I do think 1989 has some great moments like the climax of Sonni/Reva/josh...will jefferies downfall...Roger Thorpe being unmasked at Blake and Phillips wedding..etc. to understand 1991 to 1993....I think you'd have to go back to 1989 and even 1990...build up.years to the golden era of 1991 to 1993.

Thanks. I'll definitely try to find as much stuff from 1989/1990 as I can before moving to the rest, while also doing earlier stuff too. This was my mom's show in the 70s/early 80s, so I've always wanted to give it more attention.

In the meantime, I did one of those 2000 episodes. Are those episodes edited/cut/not full? Because the running time certainly doesn't add up. Whoever that Danny guy is, I love him. Good actor, pretty good in his scenes with Michelle, and hot on top of that. I thought he and Michelle were adorable, although he seemed to carry more of the weight. Is that guy Tony his brother. That stuff was really crazy with the way he was dancing, completely unaware that the other lady was crying.

Tony and Danny were cousins. The episodes should be around 40-42 minutes from that time frame including credits...

I agree with Dan's comment about how disrespectful it was to have that repulsive shoot-out on the show.

The decision to shoot up the Bauer kitchen, an iconic symbol of the series, was inexplicable. It showed how little understanding of the show or its audience TPTB had. Certain decisions would simply infuriate the fans, and alienate them gratuitously.

Imagine DOOL having a Satan-possessed Marlena gleefully masturbating with the Horton family's Christmas ornaments before smashing them into the fireplace.

Or a churlish Sonny being so furious that his mob cannot take over the administration at GH, that he urinates on the picture of Dr. Steve Hardy in the hospital lobby.

UGH!

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Tony and Danny were cousins. The episodes should be around 40-42 minutes from that time frame including credits...

Thanks, that's what I thought -- a good ten minutes are missing. That's fine, glad to have what we have, just wondering.

Diane mentions a Maria Avenada (sp) who had some tapes to give to Mike. Was she affiliated with Moreno? How did she get that kind of incriminating info?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHqK6a4dhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMbXZqX7TCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezXefUeRjS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyLApjLWtII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lasD6wDZXo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrRegJu0bL4

^^^^^Ms. Garrett is marvelous in that episode. It pisses me off that she never gets the credit she deserves and never won an Emmy.

Maureen Garrett was nominated for supporting actress in 1991, 1992, and 1994. I have no idea how she wasn't nominated in 1993.

Looking at the 1991-1994 supporting actress races:

1991: Darlene Conley, Maureen Garrett, Jill Larson, Jess Walton (winner), Kathleen Widdoes

1992: Darlene Conley, Linda Dano, Maureen Garrett, Lynn Herring, Maeve Kinkead (winner)

1993: Kimberlin Brown, Jane Elliot, Jill Larson, Ellen Parker (winner), Tonja Walker

1994: Signy Coleman, Hilary Edson, Maureen Garrett, Susan Haskell (winner), Sharon Wyatt

Competition in that category was tough those years.

Who is this woman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hro-NRr8sGA