1 hour ago, TEdgeofNight said:

I HATED that Olivia became gay. Hated Otalia. It didn’t make sense. And inept Ellen Wheeler is going word for word with those scenes while the entire show Guiding Light is crashing around her and that is her focus??? I have a new profound dislike for Wheeler. She truly killed GL. Add Hurst in there too. She didn’t help save the show. 

I agree with this. I found Olivia off-putting for years, mostly because I loathed San Christo-Hell. Having her Round Robin the Spaulding and Lewis men and then hitch her trailer to the boredom known as Natalia was the last straw for me with Chappell on GL. FF material for me.

1 hour ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Technically NOT FIRED. Jerry who I think was the first to get a contract BITD, was moved off contract to recurring

I know what you are saying, but if my work told me...yea...we will call you when we need you and just pay you for those days, I would look elsewhere too. It shows you are not valued...especially when they keep Cole around playing that misogynitic tw@t he was playing. It also show poor planning. They did that to Marj during Rauch, and just when the FauxAnnie was starting to get interesting because Alex was ready to take her on, they didn't write for her so she said...yea later, and moved to AMC. 

Though Beth Chambelin worked more on recurring then she seemed to on contract so...

41 minutes ago, chrisml said:

Wheeler was a mess on ATWT. The Jessica/Marshall rape storyline was unnecessary and she was heavily involved in that. I knew GL was in trouble when she was hire

Jessica was raped?  I never liked her much but this long term character who was a black woman of power..they had someone rape her and NO ONE thought..uh, let's not do this?

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  1 hour ago, chrisml said:

Wheeler was a mess on ATWT. The Jessica/Marshall rape storyline was unnecessary and she was heavily involved in that. I knew GL was in trouble when she was hire

 

At ATWT in the period we are talking about Ellen Wheeler was either one of the Directors or a Line Producer or as I mentioned, was shadowing Goutman ... absolutely none of that would have had anything at all to do with any story, content, plot, etc. What makes you think she was heavily involved in a story?

34 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

I know what you are saying, but if my work told me...yea...we will call you when we need you and just pay you for those days, I would look elsewhere too. It shows you are not valued...especially when they keep Cole around playing that misogynitic tw@t he was playing. It also show poor planning. They did that to Marj during Rauch, and just when the FauxAnnie was starting to get interesting because Alex was ready to take her on, they didn't write for her so she said...yea later, and moved to AMC. 

Though Beth Chambelin worked more on recurring then she seemed to on contract so...

 

Contract & recurring are not somehow big issues that automatically connote employee philosophy or worth. They're just facts of life of the entertainment industry which can be used correctly or misused. Now, I've said ad nauseum what a huge mistake it was with Jerry & why. My point is that Wheeler's error was in taking him for granted & thinking that good ole Jerry would continue to be there. Mark Derwin blew that up! The show & us fans paid a heavy price for Wheeler being like a bad boyfriend, if you'll go to that spot with me.

 

1 hour ago, chrisml said:

I know Wheeler and Conboy get a lot of flack for their firings, but JFP's documented workplace mistreatment of some of her female actors was appalling. Was AW the only place where this didn't happen or am I not remembering something that happened there? JFP's tenure at GL pretty much gutted GL of its heart and most interesting characters at the time. The Mindy Fiascos alone should have had her fired.

You are questioning JFP & firings & treatment of women at AW? Didn't happen there? I'm questioning because it was so egregious, so I'm trying to make sure I understand. 

45 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Didn't happen there? I'm questioning because it was so egregious, so I'm trying to make sure I understand. 

I can't imagine that VW put up with any of JFP's crap. JFP's worst nightmare was women like VW and KZ who knew their own worth and were not going to let her walk over them.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

I can't imagine that VW put up with any of JFP's crap. JFP's worst nightmare was women like VW and KZ who knew their own worth and were not going to let her walk over them.

 

 

It's like there are two different JFPs - one fully in power & one on the way out with distinctly waning power. We have to remind ourselves that actors - some of them - like this person. I doubt that either VW or KZ tangled with JFP, but VW was in a position to tell a fan daily whatever the fans needed to know about goings on. That is why her plan to kill off Donna failed! We knew & began an organized protest as soon as it was said at the studio. Of course that's a bittersweet victory because we saved Donna but lost Frankie, dammit.

2 hours ago, chrisml said:

Wheeler was a mess on ATWT. The Jessica/Marshall rape storyline was unnecessary and she was heavily involved in that. I knew GL was in trouble when she was hired. 

Wasn't Wheeler just a director at ATWT?

To be clear, I was referring to Wheeler as a director on ATWT and she was directing at the time of the Marshall/Jessica storyline and she had made comments during that ridiculous storyline that made me go "ugh."  The fact that P&G okayed the rape storyline for Jessica is just insane to me, but that's for another thread.

As for JFP, I am talking about workplace treatment. I'm not talking about casting decisions or the way her storylines ended up misogynistic messes. It's possible there was something going on at AW but I don't recall. I know there was a lawsuit at GH and a threat of a lawsuit at OLTL because of JFP.

I don't know of a lawsuit threat at OLTL. I'd be interested in hearing about that.

The GH legal mess was amateur night and completely avoidable by Jill, but she just had to have Jensen Buchanan ASAP. In the end that whole year in the saddle torpedoed her career as any kind of creative executive at ABC.

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3 hours ago, slick jones said:

I agree with this. I found Olivia off-putting for years, mostly because I loathed San Christo-Hell. Having her Round Robin the Spaulding and Lewis men and then hitch her trailer to the boredom known as Natalia was the last straw for me with Chappell on GL. FF material for me.

You said it much more succinctly than I could. It didn’t make sense that Olivia was suddenly gay. Brings back bad memories. lol Wheeler was such a mess. 

57 minutes ago, TEdgeofNight said:

You said it much more succinctly than I could. It didn’t make sense that Olivia was suddenly gay. Brings back bad memories. lol Wheeler was such a mess. 

I wasn't watching much when Olivia was on but not only was she straight but I also always thought she was man-crazy. Perhaps she went through all the men so she was only left with women? 

54 minutes ago, Vee said:

I don't know of a lawsuit threat at OLTL. I'd be interested in hearing about that.

The GH legal mess was amateur night and completely avoidable by Jill, but she just had to have Jensen Buchanan ASAP. In the end that whole year in the saddle torpedoed her career as any kind of creative executive at ABC.

On GH, there's also the Kari Wurher lawsuit for being fired for being pregnant which is what happened to Laura Bonarrigo-Koffman on OLTL (who threatened to sue). I don't know if LBK actually sued, but Wuhrer's claim did make the papers, but I've never been able to find any resolution to it.

 

23 minutes ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

I wasn't watching much when Olivia was on but not only was she straight but I also always thought she was man-crazy. Perhaps she went through all the men so she was only left with women? 

I never saw Olivia as man crazy as much as desperately needy and prone to melodramatic romances. For that reason, her being involved with Natalia didn't really bother me. If GL had lasted the relationship never would have stuck anyway, because Olivia just never was going to be happy.

I was more surprised when I learned that she had been involved with Frank and Buzz.

1 hour ago, chrisml said:

To be clear, I was referring to Wheeler as a director on ATWT and she was directing at the time of the Marshall/Jessica storyline and she had made comments during that ridiculous storyline that made me go "ugh."  The fact that P&G okayed the rape storyline for Jessica is just insane to me, but that's for another thread.

Thank you. I never saw the comments. I didn't watch her GL run very closely but I'm not sure she had anything as repulsive in terms of assault and consent. I might say "Jammy" due to the origins, but I know many loved that story. Matt sleeping with Dinah when she had brain damage might be another, although maybe she was meant to be A-OK by then. 

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24 minutes ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

I wasn't watching much when Olivia was on but not only was she straight but I also always thought she was man-crazy.

She had a "zest for life!" So Liv being overly sexual I could see her just going wherever the wind blew.  I think some people just read more into this romance as it was one of the few featured on soaps (never got why people liked the ATWT gayling storyline.) and it actually had a beginning middle and end...and despite it being gay, it was pretty old fashioned soap, with longing and road blocks that came from within the character and not an outside force, and believe me I thought Natalia was dull as dirt. 

I gotta say tho. Liv and Phillip were hot as hell. Funny that the actors didn't really like each other that much. 

50 minutes ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

I wasn't watching much when Olivia was on but not only was she straight but I also always thought she was man-crazy. Perhaps she went through all the men so she was only left with women? 

It was incredibly easy to look at Olivia & her relationship history & conclude that she tried over & over again with so many different men & had failure after failure after failure & then BIM BAM BOOM she found true love & a love where she was able to be giving, generous & unselfish in love with a woman. 

Besides the fact that some women aren't gay & there's just this one woman they are 100% vulnerable to. 

GL never tried to sell that they were gay, just that they were in love.

21 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

I gotta say tho. Liv and Phillip were hot as hell. Funny that the actors didn't really like each other that much. 

That scene with Olivia & Phillip in her hotel room, directed by Bruce Barry where they end up on the floor between the bed & the wall, where his bicep completely covers the top of her body making it appear they're naked is one of the 🔥est scenes I have ever seen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkDa52LUCU8

 

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