I don't get why the people writing this show think it's so true to history and that it's so good. That pisses me off more than anything, their heads are too far up their asses to look at their own show objectively.

We're never going to see any changes, and characters like Jill, who were once so important and vital to the show will continue to be written as irrelevant and child-like.

I think a number of those at Y&R now also resent the show's history

Yep.

We're never going to see any changes, and characters like Jill, who were once so important and vital to the show will continue to be written as irrelevant and child-like.

Old characters have to be treated like dirt to justify & prop new characters.

Traci completely broke my heart today. No words can express.

I don't see Y&R that much different than what GH and now AMC have become on ABC. At least Y&R still features and focuses on characters over 40.

I hate how Jill has been marginalized. She is about the worst of all of them. Gloria I honestly don't really care about but Jill and Nikki yes. I did like the scenes with Katherine and Jill today and hoped this was a turning point for them and for Jill. Doubtful it will be for Jill.

And I am still shocked they killed off Colleen so soon after Brad. Kind of reminds me of GH where they killed off Alan Q and Emily Q(father and daughter) within 7 months of each other and their deaths also had no longlasting impact to the show and both certainly could have driven significant story for months.

I am clueless as to what they are supposed to be doing with Phillip, Nina, Chance, Chloe, Billy, Mac.

It has been nice to see Beth back and her performance has been the one bright spot in this whole Colleen debacle.

Edited September 24, 200916 yr by JaneAusten

She didn't. She wrote a letter and Adam stole it and hide it from everyone.

Did we see this happen before or is this something they only now just revealed today?

Nelson Branco made a comment to the effect that Hogan writes like this "when he's not getting laid". Perhaps we should all pitch in and get him a hooker?

Nelson Branco made a comment to the effect that Hogan writes like this "when he's not getting laid". Perhaps we should all pitch in and get him a hooker?

Or perhaps someone should get a clue and fire his ass (along with the other henchmen/henchwomen).

Edited September 25, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Well, yeah, in a perfect world...

Nelson Branco made a comment to the effect that Hogan writes like this "when he's not getting laid".

Hogan's only getting laid when they make pastrami flavored edible underwear.

You know, I have given up thoughts of returning to some kind of "glory days". In a world of Blooms and Kents, etc., I don't think the show will be allowed to return to any kind of classic pacing and storytelling. So, I accept the show for what it is now, and I enjoy the parts I can while I can.

I posted this in the other thread, but it's clearly a response to this post.

This show is ALL Maria Arena Bell, Hogan Sheffer, and Scott Hamner's toxic vision. I refuse to believe anyone is forcing anything on them. I saw what Sheffer and Hamner have done on other shows, and I know what Maria's solo stint at Y&R was like. All of these people needs to be fired for their lazy, damaging, and uncreative writing.

Also, the people running this show are very boastful about how the network doesn't interfere and how the show is all them. I don't think they would be this boastful if it wasn't true.

The people writing this show deserve all the blame, not CBS or Sony.

Here's what both Maria and Paul Rauch have said:

http://tvguide.ca/2008s+ente...r_nb.htm?isfa=1

TVG: How much influence does CBS V-P Barbara Bloom have on Y&R? She’s not peeing on the trees, right? This is your show?

MAB: We have a very respectful relationship with the network. But this is my show and my vision.

http://tvguide.ca/Soaps/Features/Articles/090917_paul_rauch_NB

TVG: Of course, Ron and Frank have to contend with network interference, but they manage to still air an entertaining show. Does CBS interfere with Y&R?

PR: You know what — they leave us alone for the most part. CBS has been wonderful to work with this time around.

Edited September 25, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I don't see Y&R that much different than what GH and now AMC have become on ABC. At least Y&R still features and focuses on characters over 40.

I never really watched GH but was a loyal viewer of AMC until 2001 or so. Around that time I started going to school and could mostly watch on my days off. At first it became a show all about new characters I had little interest in and then the characters I have loved for years: Erica, Tad, Adam, Opal became used very rarely and only then as supporting characters to the newbies they were devoted to. Then the hacks in control started reversing years of vital history for the sake of short term sensationalism and at that point I was done. Now even if it is the only thing on TV, I'd sooner sit around and watch a turned off tv than that bull [!@#$%^&*]. Y&R is very quickly becoming the same thing with all the reversed deaths and focus on islanded cheap newbies while treating the veterans like nuisance panhandlers. I'm disgusted and Bill Bell's daughter in law should be ashamed of herself for what she has turned his legacy into. At least with external head writers they had no real connection to the show they were crapping all over.

Hogan's only getting laid when they make pastrami flavored edible underwear.

:lol: :lol:

"Treating the veterans like nuisance panhandlers" is the best description I've seen of the way the show is now.

"Treating the veterans like nuisance panhandlers" is the best description I've seen of the way the show is now.

Pretty much!

Did we see this happen before or is this something they only now just revealed today?

They showed a flashback of Adam hiding a letter from Nikki, but now I can't remember which episode the flashback was in. It was one where Ashley was talking about thinking that she had run over Nikki. Then we saw Adam flashback to a letter arriving from Nikki and Adam taking it. Presumably this had happened soon after Nikki left town.