Local news with a full hour-and-a-half to kill? Both local and evening should go to half-hour. People who want their news fix immediately just go to CNN/Fox/MSNBC anyway.

Still, I get that the judge shows (Judge Judy = MY IDOL), Entertainment Tonights and Jeopardys are sacrosanct and, more importantly, ratings winners. I have compiled some possible schedules (below) but in order to include ET, Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune, soaps would prob need to go half-hour.

A possible schedule (with soaps running at their current length) could look like this:

CBS affiliate (I'm taking WCBS as my model):

3pm: Dr Phil

4pm Judge Judy

4.30pm: B&B

5pm: ATWT

6pm: local news

6.30pm: CBS News

7pm: Y&R

ABC affiliate:

3pm: Oprah

4pm AMC

5pm OLTL

6pm: local news

6.30pm: ABC Evening News

7pm: GH

what about Jepordy, Wheel, Ent Tonight, Acc Hollywood, The Insider, Extra?

Perhaps Oprah could go to 2, amc to 2, oltl to 4, gh at 4, and then game show/ent show at 7?

and then what do they air in the daytime?

I also think a good solution can be soaps operating under a small budget. Days got a 40% slash and is doing it, idk if they could go any cheaper tho. This means less sets, smaller casts, and fewer stories at once - all things modern soap fans bitch about. also, top stars need to take a pay cut or be fired. end of story. the buisness they in is not making it what use to be, so what makes them think they should? soaps need to work with them tho, if they are making less they should have a lighter sch.

if soaps could do it, networks need to rebuild daytime line ups. and not expect massive ratings from it. 2.0's seems to be the average for daytime now.

ABC Daytime could look like this. next to each slot i put what is airing now-

9: Regis/Kelly (now- same)

10: View (now- same)

11: game/judge/ent show (now- news)

12: news (now- amc)

1- talk show (one that features soap stars as guests!) (now- oltl)

2- amc (now- gh)

3- oltl (now- Oprah)

4- gh (now- news)

5- oprah (now- news)

6- local news/national new (now- same)

7- game show/ent show (now- wheel/jepordy)

NBC is the net that can really use an overhaul and see if it works...

10- talk show (today)

11- judge shows (news/acc hollywood)

12- News (game show)

1- game shows (days)

2- talk show (martha)

3- Ellen (bonnie hunt)

4- new soap (ellen)

5- Days (news)

6- local/national news (same)

7- ent shows(same)

or even move ellen/new soap/days back an hour, put news on at 5. i would love it if they would air dats at 7, swapping it with ent shows.

Let's Make A Deal will air at 10 AM in Atlanta. WLKY is not the

only CBS affiliate to carry Y&R at 4; WRAL Raleigh also does this,

beats Oprah, and has the top-rated 5 PM news.

Possibly WGCL believes Y&R is the strongest lead-in to its 4 PM

newscast that it can find.

As for "the death of Y&R," I think ATWT will go first...in fact

I predict its demise as of Sept. 17, 2010.

or even move ellen/new soap/days back an hour, put news on at 5. i would love it if they would air dats at 7, swapping it with ent shows.

So would I! Although I think your affiliate (and mine) rely heavily on the entertainment shows at 7pm -- it is their bread-and-butter. Celebrity gossip is practically Cali and NY's only growth industry at the moment!

I also love your space for a new soap on NBC (please, not another Passions, though).

So would I! Although I think your affiliate (and mine) rely heavily on the entertainment shows at 7pm -- it is their bread-and-butter. Celebrity gossip is practically Cali and NY's only growth industry at the moment!

I also love your space for a new soap on NBC (please, not another Passions, though).

not another passions at all, i agree. if they want a strong daytime lineup they NEED a new soap, and they should make it a modern soap, but classic. simple. deal with real issues, blah blah blah. look at the 70's and update the storys for the most part, lol

also here in LA, our local station is also moving the sch around. Rachel Ray, who is now on at 9, will move to 2p - the old GL slot, and TPIR will move to 9am, and LMAD will take its 10am slot.

Now... I AGREE about soaps airing in the late afternoon. Networks shied away form this in the past, because for whatever reason it didn't work for The Edge Of Night. But I know in St. Louis, since it airs at 4PM... they have a strong lead in for their local news, and it works very well, catching the "after-school" viewer. Now, Wheel does get great ratings in that early evening slot, but it's the SLOT, not the show neccesarily. It kind of struggled at 10 AM from 1976-81, and then when it moved to nightime.... it took OFF. and it certainly wasn't Sajak making the ratings go up... the man has the personality of a wet dishrag.

As for "the death of Y&R," I think ATWT will go first...in fact

I predict its demise as of Sept. 17, 2010.

ATWT before DOOL?

ATWT before DOOL?

i think so.

if NBC looks at Days right now, its getting renewed. Hopefully 6 months from now the same could be said.

ATWT is already unofficially cancelled.

if NBC looks at Days right now, its getting renewed. Hopefully 6 months from now the same could be said.

Has DOOL done that well after losing John & Marlena?

I lived in California in the late 80's and they moved GH to 4pm there and it did horribly at that time, so they moved it to a different time and it did alot better.

I can't see a timeslot change making a difference. If people want to watch they will, if they don't, a time change isn't going to get them to watch.

They have to WANT to watch

They have to WANT to watch

There's always tivo.

Has DOOL done that well after losing John & Marlena?

they have. they have actually been up in ratings compared to last year almost every week. they also usually gain overall ratings every week and when they tumnble they bounce back. i would say losing john/mar/patch/kayla/tony really helped days.

here are last weeks ratings numbers-

4. DAYS 2,720,000 (+8,000/+115,000)

so they gained 8,000 people from last week and 115,000 from last year.

now compare to ATWT-

7. ATWT 2,348,000 (-50,000/-131,000)

not another passions at all, i agree. if they want a strong daytime lineup they NEED a new soap, and they should make it a modern soap, but classic. simple. deal with real issues, blah blah blah. look at the 70's and update the storys for the most part, lol

also here in LA, our local station is also moving the sch around. Rachel Ray, who is now on at 9, will move to 2p - the old GL slot, and TPIR will move to 9am, and LMAD will take its 10am slot.

Are you sure about this?

I thought Let's Make a Deal was getting the post-Early Show slot.

I do think it's weird that they are pairing Deal and Price together instead of allowing Deal to stand on it's own post-ATWT. If an affiliate IS told by CBS to pair Wayne and Drew together, I could see more affiliates not wanting to give up their lucrative post-Early show programming(i.e. smaller affiliates that may carry Regis & Kelly, Dr. Phil, The Doctors, or any other high performing talk show) and scheduling Deal at 12Noon/11CST(in places where Y&R airs after Price with No news Breaks) and moving Y&R to 2PM/3PMCST.

Are you sure about this?

I thought Let's Make a Deal was getting the post-Early Show slot.

I do think it's weird that they are pairing Deal and Price together instead of allowing Deal to stand on it's own post-ATWT. If an affiliate IS told by CBS to pair Wayne and Drew together, I could see more affiliates not wanting to give up their lucrative post-Early show programming(i.e. smaller affiliates that may carry Regis & Kelly, Dr. Phil, The Doctors, or any other high performing talk show) and scheduling Deal at 12Noon/11CST(in places where Y&R airs after Price with No news Breaks) and moving Y&R to 2PM/3PMCST.

i know LMAD & TPIR will air together here, idk what one will ait at 9 and what one at 10, but i know those are the slots and rachel ray will be on after ATWT now.

Yeah....not really seeing how LMAD is going to succeed airing in early morning timeslots around the country. Which is actually A-okay with me. It's not like there's any momentum from The Early Show.

Yep. Y&R is a clusterfuck right now and the problems it has are both wide-ranging and deep-seated (go ahead and sing your "I told you so's"). Given that it is the industry leader, I think it is bringing down ALL soaps, not just those in its line-up. I think lots of people watched Y&R plus one or two soaps of their choice -- or half-an-hour of Y&R and then another soap. If Y&R can no longer lead them in, what does that mean for Days? AMC? B&B?

Timeslot-wise, I've said it before... so I'll say it again! ALL soaps should be shown between 4pm-7.59pm. This is a no-brainer. Soaps are thriving in Latin America, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada... why? Because they show their serial dramas in the late afternoon/early evening (which would be entirely workable here in the States while freeing up a half-hour for local newscasts and another half-hour for some Katie Couric yakking).

I used to watch Y & R at 5 pm and Santa Barbara at 6pm. in the 80's ( US Virgin Islands). I think it is the perfect timeslot for a soap. I was so used to this timeslot that when i moved back to the states i taped the shows and watched them at 5 and 6 pm.