Todd and Blair. How much longer can they ride on this long dead horse? I don't know what they will do with Blair but I pray she is not headed back down the raod towards a reunion with Todd. At the same time, I don't think I buy that Todd is in love with Tea. Tea and Elijah are starting off with a bang. My only problem is that I wish that Elijah was Kevin. There is something about him that reminds me of Tim Gibbs' (????) Kevin Buchanan. The absence of Kevin Buchanan is profound. With Elijah on the scene, I realize how we are totally devoid of any core male men in their 20's and 30's. As someone said upthread, I don't need every character on the show to become connected in order to have viability. But I do think it is an injustice not to have core males in one of the most important age groups.

I agree with all of your post, but most notably I agree with what you've said here. Kevin's absence has been jarring ever since Marty returned in the form of Susan Haskill and had to relive the rape. IMO it should have been Kevin vs. Todd, not John vs. Todd in the Marty kidnapping story.

Tim Gibbs Kevin? No wonder I'm not crazy about Elijah yet.

I kind of wonder if Frons has issued some type of warning against bringing Joey or Kevin back, especially since some PTB got into it with the last actor to play Kevin.

I think a big reason Kevin was not a part of the rape story was because they wanted us to remember Todd was not the only rapist. They made Todd the heroic figure in the story. He, unlike Zach and Powell, loved Marty, and in the eyes of the show, proved his love for Marty with the rapemance, then by helping her get her memory back. If Kevin had been there, then Kevin would have been the heroic figure, because he never hurt Marty. With only Todd, Zach, and Powell around from those days, Todd by default became the good guy.

Edited August 18, 200916 yr by CarlD2

I think a big reason Kevin was not a part of the rape story was because they wanted us to remember Todd was not the only rapist. They made Todd the heroic figure in the story. He, unlike Zach and Powell, loved Marty, and in the eyes of the show, proved his love for Marty with the rapemance, then by helping her get her memory back. If Kevin had been there, then Kevin would have been the heroic figure, because he never hurt Marty. With only Todd, Zach, and Powell around from those days, Todd by default became the good guy.

This is so crazy that it just might be true. How is it possible to look at Todd and forget that he orchestrated the gang rape and that Marty was not the first? No wonder soap fans are considered ridiculous.

They said the point of the story was to remind us Todd was not the only man who raped Marty. I guess, somewhere in the mind of those who came up with the story, this was proof of what a great guy he was. I thought Susan Haskell did the best she could considering the extremely poor work from her male costars. For that reason I would have liked to have seen Kirk Geiger's Kevin again, but those days are gone.

Tim Gibbs Kevin? No wonder I'm not crazy about Elijah yet.

I kind of wonder if Frons has issued some type of warning against bringing Joey or Kevin back, especially since some PTB got into it with the last actor to play Kevin.

I think a big reason Kevin was not a part of the rape story was because they wanted us to remember Todd was not the only rapist. They made Todd the heroic figure in the story. He, unlike Zach and Powell, loved Marty, and in the eyes of the show, proved his love for Marty with the rapemance, then by helping her get her memory back. If Kevin had been there, then Kevin would have been the heroic figure, because he never hurt Marty. With only Todd, Zach, and Powell around from those days, Todd by default became the good guy.

I hadn't thought of that. Still, I think they could have achieved their goal of Todd emerging as the "rapist with the heart" (I think I puked typing that out) and only brought Kevin around in the same way that they did with Nora. Nora wasn't really instrumental to the rerape until the trial and they could have done the same thing with Kevin. Or perhaps, I am too naive. I also think that Kevin's presence could have amplified Rachel's return. Greg versus Kevin over Rachel would make for a better story than Shaun versus Greg over Rachel.

I have a tough time of swallowing that Todd was supposed to be portrayed as the good guy in the Marty story. Did he proclaim that he loved Marty? Yes. Did Marty say the same thing? Yes. However when the sh!t hit the fan, Todd's love was portrayed as simply a delusion of his. When he went from one person to another proclaiming that he loved Marty, we didn't get scenes of people persuading Todd to fight for Marty bc their love was so great, we got the exact opposite. John, Cole, Viki, Blair, basically the whole town ridiculed Todd for stating that he loved Marty, and Marty's reaction after learning the fact disproved that he was portrayed as the good guy. She was sick and disgusted, and even vomited. In addition she even talked him into committing suicide! Todd wasn't portrayed as a good guy, or a changed guy, until after the KAD fiasco when the writers couldn't think of a better way of redeeming Todd for what he did.

From what I watched, Todd was portrayed as someone clearly out of touch with what happened that night in the KAD house.

Blair & Cristian. :wub:

I have a tough time of swallowing that Todd was supposed to be portrayed as the good guy in the Marty story. Did he proclaim that he loved Marty? Yes. Did Marty say the same thing? Yes. However when the sh!t hit the fan, Todd's love was portrayed as simply a delusion of his. When he went from one person to another proclaiming that he loved Marty, we didn't get scenes of people persuading Todd to fight for Marty bc their love was so great, we got the exact opposite. John, Cole, Viki, Blair, basically the whole town ridiculed Todd for stating that he loved Marty, and Marty's reaction after learning the fact disproved that he was portrayed as the good guy. She was sick and disgusted, and even vomited. In addition she even talked him into committing suicide! Todd wasn't portrayed as a good guy, or a changed guy, until after the KAD fiasco when the writers couldn't think of a better way of redeeming Todd for what he did.

From what I watched, Todd was portrayed as someone clearly out of touch with what happened that night in the KAD house.

I agree with this and gotta disagree with CarID that Todd was portrayed as the "good guy". If he was the "good guy," Marty would've stayed with him after she got her memory back.

I agree with this and gotta disagree with CarID that Todd was portrayed as the "good guy". If he was the "good guy," Marty would've stayed with him after she got her memory back.

I think they may have initially had some plans to keep them together, before the backlash. She barely interacted with John for months after she returned to Llanview, and she was still obsessed with Todd. They had Todd going on about how what he did was out of love. Todd wanted to turn over a new leaf. Then abruptly John was thrown back into Marty's orbit, and they shoved Todd at Tea in confusing stories that changed by the month (Tea was just using Todd as a cover for her Montez ties, and Todd doesn't care about her, then suddenly Tea wanted him again and Todd was using her for sex, then suddenly Todd decides Tea is his true love after all). I think on some level they still want Todd and Marty to have the bond which could eventually lead to a relationship. The KAD story was all about reminding people Todd wasn't the bad guy. Todd helped her get her memory back. Even now, when Marty doesn't want anything to do with Todd, she's still thrown together with him,

she's even going to be counseling him soon.

Blair is a pathetic piece of trash who needs to get a life

Rex is BEYOND annoying these days

It just seems like they have no idea who Todd is good guy, bad guy or guy in the middle they write him on a whim like they do most of everything else. Today he is the man, lover extraordinaire tomorrow he will be a monster there is no real emotions or purpose to him anymore. This return to the triangle dismisses all growth from the parties involved and lacks all reasons.

It just seems like they have no idea who Todd is good guy, bad guy or guy in the middle they write him on a whim like they do most of everything else. Today he is the man, lover extraordinaire tomorrow he will be a monster there is no real emotions or purpose to him anymore. This return to the triangle dismisses all growth from the parties involved and lacks all reasons.

I think so although I'm curious as to what will happen between Tea and Elijah.

I'm usually not a fan of Vickers, but today he had me at attention. I especially loved the way he put most of them on blast: Jared and Natalie killing Nash, Natalie being trailer trash, Jared being a hustler, Nora's gay ex-husband, Bo and Nora still being in love, At least seven different people between Viki's and Jessica's various personalities, Matthew being Tiny Tim. On the other hand, I also loved Clint's short and volatile reaction to him. He can never seem to resist pointing a riffle at him. I hope they keep this up. I'd rather not see any sappy moments of 'acceptance' between David and the Buchanan's. I hope their relationship stays like this.

Edited August 19, 200916 yr by ACEM

I especially loved the way he put most of them on blast: Jared and Natalie killing Nash, Natalie being trailer trash, Jared being a hustler, Nora's gay ex-husband, Bo and Nora still being in love, At least seven different people between Viki's and Jessica's various personalities, Matthew being Tiny Tim. On the other hand, I also loved Clint's short and volatile reaction to him. I hope they keep this up.

I love David Vickers so of course loved today's episode. I LOL when he called Matthew Tiny Tim, "Nora's ex-husband who was a gay serial killer......no a serial killer who was gay," David getting punched, "...and that's how we roll."

I liked the courtroom scenes (except Destiny) and the reality show scenes, but I don't think they belonged in the same episode. For me, it cheapened the dramatic impact to keep cutting to David's frivolity.