They were never switched, and Pheila kidnapped both Phyllis and Summer, it also happened a good time after both women had given birth.

Ah. I admit, I bailed for that year on Genoa City.

No kidding. Having Nikki at the hospital today would have added so much to the story.

Nikki's at the hospital

for the rest of the week.

But you guys are just being facetious about this right. You guys don't literally think MAB comes to the boards and "steals" our stories. LOL

Given how much creativity we perceive this show to lack at the moment, I don't know what to believe as to where they get their storyline ideas from. All it seems like is the stuff happening on screen has been discussed theoretically and even mocked theoretically, yet it's happening.

I disagree. Two baby switches come to mind that were good and coincidentally, they were done by Tomlin/Whitesell......10 years apart. LOL Anyway, I don't want to get too much into it since we're getting off-topic here....unless you want to continue discussing this in the potpourri.

Yes, but adding a baby switch to a show that's had multiple pregnancies and miscarriages over the past year? The baby drama is too excessive.

But yeah, continue it in the potpourri thread if you wish.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

To me that would make him foolish. Why would an adult, professional gay man, fall in love with a straight, attached man with no hint of his feelings being reciprocated? especially if the man is his client. While this beat has been unappealing to watch (again it reminds me too much of college), it's part of Adam's game. He'll lie, cheat, steal even kill to get what he wants - and this includes seducing a man to keep his secret safe. If Rafe had found that box he'd go straight to Victor and Adam would be rotting in jail. this was pure CYA (pun intended). It just didn't work on a soap cause it's not the audience for raunch.

Maybe that's the problem. A lot the story development would have happened in the sex scene (if we were allowed to watch it) but since we're not, something is missing. Adam slept with Heather pretty much right after he meet her, but there were lots of scenes of them in bed talking about their lives and feelings, etc. Rafe & Adam or Rafe & Phillip or Rafe & anyone won't get that and that's a problem when you're trying to tell the full story.

Ah. I admit, I bailed for that year on Genoa City.

Nikki's at the hospital

for the rest of the week.

Now there is some good news. Thanks Brimike.

Given how much creativity we perceive this show to lack at the moment, I don't know what to believe as to where they get their storyline ideas from. All it seems like is the stuff happening on screen has been discussed theoretically and even mocked theoretically, yet it's happening.

There is a hell of a lot of speculation on this board. It's inevitable that people will occasionally hit on the direction MAB planned out months before hand.

There is a hell of a lot of speculation on this board. It's inevitable that people will occasionally hit on the direction MAB planned out months before hand.

It's not so much that, it's just how predictable and cliche this show has gotten to me and it hasn't been for the better of the show, IMO. I know I'm not the who thinks this, but this is probably better for the potpourri thread.

Now there is some good news. Thanks Brimike.

No prob. Figured the board could use some good news right about now. From what I understand,

she and Paul are involved pretty heavily this week and a little bit in the next week (before MTS/DD's vacation) in the Summer/MJ story.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by brimike

It's not so much that, it's just how predictable and cliche this show has gotten to me and it hasn't been for the better of the show, IMO. I know I'm not the who thinks this, but this is probably better for the potpourri thread.

It's easy to call the plot twists. Every time a character acts OUT of character, you realize it's because of a plot contrivance. Like Victor and Ashley being stupid. Why would that be? Victor, especially, is not stupid. But they need to be stupid so Adam can be in place to execute the baby switch.

It's easy to call the plot twists. Every time a character acts OUT of character, you realize it's because of a plot contrivance. Like Victor and Ashley being stupid. Why would that be? Victor, especially, is not stupid. But they need to be stupid so Adam can be in place to execute the baby switch.

Pretty much.

There is a hell of a lot of speculation on this board. It's inevitable that people will occasionally hit on the direction MAB planned out months before hand.

I wouldn't say inevitable but extremely likely, In that sense I agree.

I think it doesn't help (though some of us may think it does) to be extremist about the changes to be implemented. While I think this board (with all its knowledgeable posters) is rich with ideas, and I embrace all the innovative inputs myself I still must say I am somewhere in the middle where the show is currently concerned. I don't want to sing it's praises without acknowledging all flaws and I can't acknowledge all flaws without embracing all that is good. It's all subjective. I personally like the different perspective but I don't think being presumptious leaves a good impression for the argument. The show has its ok days, has had some great days, and definitly has its bad days, and need improvement days. I can't say it's a work in progress, but I can hope.

Am I the only one who misses, slow, boring in inexplicable good way Y&R that stretched things out and though it might annoy you sometimes, it was worth it for the payoff?

Though I had problems with him, I now consider Jack Smith's ouster to be the worst moment in Y&R history. After that, there's been a conscious effort from both LML and MAB to take this show away from the style of storytelling it used to do, and the need to "contemporize" a soap that spent over 30 years being true to that particular style of storytelling that brought it to #1 in the ratings in the fist place.

Am I the only one who misses, slow, boring in inexplicable good way Y&R that stretched things out and though it might annoy you sometimes, it was worth it for the payoff?

Though I had problems with him, I now consider Jack Smith's ouster to be the worst moment in Y&R history. After that, there's been a conscious effort from both LML and MAB to take this show away from the style of storytelling it used to do, and the need to "contemporize" a soap that spent over 30 years being true to that particular style of storytelling that brought it to #1 in the ratings in the fist place.

I miss slow-boring-yet-careful-and-methodical on all my soaps. I just saw this coming a mile away once Bill Bell started to get sick.

It's not so much that, it's just how predictable and cliche this show has gotten to me and it hasn't been for the better of the show, IMO. I know I'm not the who thinks this, but this is probably better for the potpourri thread.

You know it's not so much your opinions that bother me, it's the same, consistant fire MAB, MAB is incompetent, blah blah blah. If she does read this board, and i know people at Y&R do, why not give positive suggestions, or criticize particular s/l's and say specifically what is working for you and what isn't. You actually did that alot last week in the strictly episodic thread and I for one appreciated those posts.

And i also say, be careful what you wish for, you may just get it - and it could be a helluva lot worse (insert any other soap for examples). I fear who they would replace MAB and CO. with. I TRULY fear that. I say opine all you want, but love the one you're with - the other alternatives are far more terrifying to me.

You know it's not so much your opinions that bother me, it's the same, consistant fire MAB, MAB is incompetent, blah blah blah. If she does read this board, and i know people at Y&R do, why not give positive suggestions, or criticize particular s/l's and say specifically what is working for you and what isn't. You actually did that alot last week in the strictly episodic thread and I for one appreciated those posts.

And i also say, be careful what you wish for, you may just get it - and it could be a helluva lot worse (insert any other soap for examples). I fear who they would replace MAB and CO. with. I TRULY fear that. I say opine all you want, but love the one you're with - the other alternatives are far more terrifying to me.

I said the same thing the other night as well. You bang the same drum long enough, people get used to it and the noise just gets drowned out. I agree - I much prefer episode-specific criticism.

I said the same thing the other night as well. You bang the same drum long enough, people get used to it and the noise just gets drowned out. I agree - I much prefer episode-specific criticism.

A little bit of levity goes a long, long way.

A little bit of levity goes a long, long way.

As was proven by Victor Newman v. Mr. Kitty today!