Why do you think we've dropped the other soaps? Obviously we (or speaking for myself) I, still find enjoyment in Y&R. I can't say the same thing about any other soap at the moment.

How is Y&R different from daytime as a whole though? What exactly are they doing that doesn't follow a similar trend to the rest of daytime?

I find most of the criticism on here to be redundant, juvenile, and petty comments anyway.

Then why continue to feed into it?

Wasn't it you who said this thread was "stupid?" So, why are you posting in it?

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

How is Y&R different from daytime as a whole though? What exactly are they doing that doesn't follow a similar trend to the rest of daytime?

Then why continue to feed into it?

Simple. ATWT, B&B, GH, OLTL, DAYS, AMC, and GL do not interest me. I have no desire or reason to watch. On the rare occasions I do still tune into OLTL, because I do find it entertaining at times, and Strasser cracks me up.

Wasn't it you who said this thread was "stupid?" So, why are you posting in it?

Probably the same reason you keep posting in the Y&R Thread when the show sucks. I still think this thread is stupid, and creating a thread like this just shows how Y&R separates itself from daytime again, LoL.

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by MTSRocks

Check out the last 20 seconds of this clip. while Walton, Cast, Cooper, even Goffard and Khalil are trying to sell this nonsensical and crappy storyline, in comes Thom Bierdz who thinks he's doing some parody on soap acting. It's F.UCKING HILARIOUS, he totally throws everything off in his one line. If his bad acting is all I can take from this absurd storyline, well, at least I get something to laugh at, even if it's not intentional from the show.

Hopefully they will redo that scene for Monday. He didn't exactly look sorry did he? It was more of a smirk.

Simple. ATWT, B&B, GH, OLTL, DAYS, AMC, and GL do not interest me. I have no desire or reason to watch. On the rare occasions I do still tune into OLTL, because I do find it entertaining at times, and Strasser cracks me up.

The interest aspect is fair enough, but I meant more along the lines with the types of storytelling. I think the type of storylines Y&R chooses to do are very much in sync with the rest of daytime, which you know isn't exactly watchable at the moment. But I do see how personal interest plays a part in viewing.

Probably the same reason you keep posting in the Y&R Thread when the show sucks. I still think this thread is stupid, and creating a thread like this just shows how Y&R separates itself from daytime again, LoL.

But my posts aren't simply "this show sucks" in the episode thread. At least I watch the episodes and I do point out what I do not like in them, which seems to be everything these days. I may add too much to the off-topic discussion in that thread, but I'm no different than anyone else who takes part in it. The episode thread isn't simply for people who love Y&R an think its greatness either.

I think this thread kind of proves either how polarizing this show must be, or the growing negative trend across the internet regarding this show that MarkH brought up. But who knows, no one is doing a scientific study.

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Hopefully they will redo that scene for Monday. He didn't exactly look sorry did he? It was more of a smirk.

They may not want to have him too remorseful, as a smug attitude will help deflect anger towards Cane.

Hopefully they will redo that scene for Monday. He didn't exactly look sorry did he? It was more of a smirk.

EXACTLY, that's what I wanted, too. OF course, we don't know if that ws Thom's decision or the director's. Like the Elevator scene on Friday's show... I wanted Walton to cry as soon as the elevator doors closed... but instead she did her teeth-gnashing thing.

I saw some old clips of Thom Bierdz. To me he was always bad. They didn't have to bring him back to undo Cane is not Philip 3rd.

That's because those clips don't showcase his best work. 95 percent of those youtube clips are Dickson pieces that he just happened to be in. Like I said, he's not on Walton's level... but he's as good as Goddard or Morrow.

That's because those clips don't showcase his best work. 95 percent of those youtube clips are Dickson pieces that he just happened to be in. Like I said, he's not on Walton's level... but he's as good as Goddard or Morrow.

Now that's quite the standard. I don't really blame Thom Bierdz in this situation if he isn't that good. I think he has made it quite clear that he is coming back to the show with a clear agenda. He has stated that he does not want to act again and that the only way he was interested in coming back was if he was able to play Philip as himself.

I question why MAB has written and frankly twisted and changed history to bring Philip III back to the living again. What would one expect from a person who hasn't played this role in two decades (a role he played as a young man for a few years) who is not a practicing actor or even desires to be one. At best one would hope he would be mediocre.

They could have brought back Tricia Cast and changed the Cane as Philip III story quite easily without going to these lengths to change a history Bill Bell created. And as a fan of talented vets who either have little story or are off screen for months at a time, I can't believe all this effort has been put forth by MAB for a pet project while others get no effort at all from her or her writing team. Maybe in theory this story sounded good, but it feels like MAB heard Thom Bierdz was willing to come back and so she went to work creating this story without really thinking it through.

I know it is too early to judge it but based on spoilers we will be asked to swallow an awful lot to accept this story.

Hopefully they will redo that scene for Monday. He didn't exactly look sorry did he? It was more of a smirk.

No. It was resolve.

They may not want to have him too remorseful, as a smug attitude will help deflect anger towards Cane.

P3 was dead, and happy that way. Now, with all hell loose, he finally decided to go home and confront his demons. He does not regret what he did...he thinks it was best for EVERYONE. I think you're all expecting the wrong note from P3.

Reframe. He's home to get Cane out of sh!t, but he's not happy to be there. He's going to lay it out on the table, because he has become an authentic human being. He's not going to take any BS or feel guilty. Does that make him a selfish SOB? Maybe...but that fits with his genetics.

And yes, for all those of you who saw "suck" and "can't act" in that 10 second bit, I saw everything above. We're all ridiculous thinking ANYTHING until he's had a few weeks on the show.

Now that's quite the standard. I don't really blame Thom Bierdz in this situation if he isn't that good. I think he has made it quite clear that he is coming back to the show with a clear agenda. He has stated that he does not want to act again and that the only way he was interested in coming back was if he was able to play Philip as himself.

I question why MAB has written and frankly twisted and changed history to bring Philip III back to the living again. What would one expect from a person who hasn't played this role in two decades (a role he played as a young man for a few years) who is not a practicing actor or even desires to be one. At best one would hope he would be mediocre.

They could have brought back Tricia Cast and changed the Cane as Philip III story quite easily without going to these lengths to change a history Bill Bell created. And as a fan of talented vets who either have little story or are off screen for months at a time, I can't believe all this effort has been put forth by MAB for a pet project while others get no effort at all from her or her writing team. Maybe in theory this story sounded good, but it feels like MAB heard Thom Bierdz was willing to come back and so she went to work creating this story without really thinking it through.

I know it is too early to judge it but based on spoilers we will be asked to swallow an awful lot to accept this story.

Exactly.

P3 was dead, and happy that way. Now, with all hell loose, he finally decided to go home and confront his demons. He does not regret what he did...he thinks it was best for EVERYONE. I think you're all expecting the wrong note from P3.

He thinks it was best for his son to grow up without a father, even though he knew the pain of not having a father? I am hoping he will at least feel shame for this part of his deception.

He must have had some regret, since he sent Cane to town.

Does that make him a selfish SOB? Maybe...but that fits with his genetics.

I'm not sure if Jill or the Donnelly Rhodes Phillip would have done this.

And that's the biggest problem of all. It's not. Nothing is. We are in The End of Days. It's sad. But Y&R isn't going to save anything. These shows will be gone in a few years. Yes, even Y&R.

Please, don't say such horrible, blasphemous things. Y&R will live FOREVER!

(And so will B&B.)

So that Mac and Billy scene where they almost made love after 10 tears or whatever got me thinking. If they are to be a viable couple the first time they make love needs to be special and NOT at the damn GCAC! We need some ROMANTIC build up. Not just "let's go have sex! Damn it, phones ringing, [!@#$%^&*] ya later!"

However, I fear/KNOW this build-up will not happen by any means because Hogan Sheffer has proven he cannot to so in the past. The best two examples are from when he wrote DOOL. Shawn/Belle and Nick/Chelsea. Shawn and Belle's first time making love and REMEMBERING it was a total failure. And Nick/Chelsea's first time, a couple that was Sheffer's SOLE creation was written as being this terrible disgusting experience. How are you supposed to root for a couple after that?

Check out the last 20 seconds of this clip. while Walton, Cast, Cooper, even Goffard and Khalil are trying to sell this nonsensical and crappy storyline, in comes Thom Bierdz who thinks he's doing some parody on soap acting. It's F.UCKING HILARIOUS, he totally throws everything off in his one line. If his bad acting is all I can take from this absurd storyline, well, at least I get something to laugh at, even if it's not intentional from the show.

He thinks it was best for his son to grow up without a father, even though he knew the pain of not having a father? I am hoping he will at least feel shame for this part of his deception.

He must have had some regret, since he sent Cane to town.

Why? What P3 did was a FUNDAMENTALLY selfish act. There can be no more selfish act.

At first, it was motivated by being a scared little boy (which tracks, by the way, very much with how Bierdz played him back then). In the ensuing 20 years, P3 has owned his identity and, we presume, developed both some self-confidence and maybe remorse.

Of course, that P3 remains the selfish offspring of Jill is shown by the odd way in which he chose to deal with that remorse. He chose NOT to go to GC and confront his demons and to live with authenticity. He sent Ethan Ashby (probably a bloke who frequented his Australian bar whom he found to be cute) in his stead.

We all know, now, that didn't work out. So FINALLY, FINALLY, after 20 years he "screwed [his] courage to the sticking point" and decided to tell the truth.

I'm sure his rationalization is that P4 was BETTER OFF with no father than the mixed up mess P3 would have been for all his years growing up. I am not saying that P3 was RIGHT, but it seems totally real (I speak from experience) that someone would create such a rationalization. It is THE SAME flavor as Sharon deceiving two men about her unborn child's paternity by figuring people would be 'better off". These justifications may often be vile from the outside...but they may have perfect internal consistency in the mind of the character.

P3 is much more interesting if there is no remorse. P3 is more interesting if he finds himself almost dumbfounded by the anger of others.

The journey of P3 OWNING his transgressions, making amends to his survivors, and figuring out how to move forward is potentially fascinating, and that is the journey I hope we are on.

Let me also say there is a clue here, I think. P3/Langley either owns or works in a BAR. But P3 is an ALCOHOLIC. How does THAT compute?

There is much to look forward to ahead, I think, even if the foundations of this story are contrived.

Please, don't say such horrible, blasphemous things. Y&R will live FOREVER!

(And so will B&B.)

Yes. In fan fic. In "web novelizations" like Another World is doing now.

It is actually healthy for these things to live defined life courses and move on. I'd miss Y&R every single day, but the "space" it would create opens the door for other stories and other dramas--maybe not in daytime or on television.

So that Mac and Billy scene where they almost made love after 10 tears or whatever got me thinking. If they are to be a viable couple the first time they make love needs to be special and NOT at the damn GCAC! We need some ROMANTIC build up. Not just "let's go have sex! Damn it, phones ringing, [!@#$%^&*] ya later!"

No, for me hearts-and-flowers are 98% eye rolling.

Let's talk about the reality of "first times". More often than not, they're had in back seats. Two adults, neither virgins, having sex in a hotel room is perfectly fine. The moment could have been tender and sweet. Alas, the clue seems to be that this WON'T be the first time.

Some day, if there is a first time, you'll probably get your wish. They didn't waste time on this one because...there will be another delay. This is worse than Nuke!