They're only a month apart. Ashley found out she was pregnant in February. Sharon found out she was pregnant in March.

And yeah - I accept I'm in the minority with MarkH on this one. LOL! I won't even try to argue it because I know you're right, Carl. No daytime audience would accept it. Still, I love the poetry behind the initial concept of the idea.

If they were to decide to do this, they'd have to be very careful. And considering the last few months, I don't know if they'd be capable of effectively pulling this off without disgusting a lot of their fans.

Yes, it was awful. I think it was meant to [ a ] explain motivations that the writing/acting had not succeeded in explicating to that point, [ b ] help the actor get up to speed, [ c ] help the audience associate Engen's deeds/motivations with Muhney.

Awful, yes. Tolerable on a one-time basis? For me, yes. But it can't be done too often, for this device is the one that provokes more soap eye rolling than almost any other...the only thing worse is when it is done via voiceover.

That was Freiwald & Schreiber, right?

That was Freiwald & Schreiber, right?

Yeah, i think so.

Mark, I think it's Option A. B and C don't work because this script was written months ago, long before they even knew they would have to recast.

And I agree - it was a really awkward monologue. Their intentions were in the right place, but it was really clunky. I hate people talking to themselves anyway on soaps. The only thing I hate more is when we hear their thoughts (e.g. JER). I accept it as a necessary evil sometimes, but I can't stand it and think it's a terrible device.

If they were to decide to do this, they'd have to be very careful. And considering the last few months, I don't know if they'd be capable of effectively pulling this off without disgusting a lot of their fans.

Oh, they definitely couldn't do it without totally alienating fans. Believe me, I don't think they SHOULD do it - just in my perfect world, when they weren't trying to please millions of fans, I love the idea. But just because I like it, doesn't mean it's what's good for the show. LOL!

To be clear, I don't expect my hoped-for baby switch to happen . And, in this era of widespread malcontent with the darkness of the show, it should not happen.

I must confess that one of my motivations, though, is to spare Ashley this hurt.

Bullocks, I just realized something. Can someone confirm or refute the following spoiler concerning the wretched Quad for me, please?

Does Sharon lie about the paternity and say it's Jack's because of Summer's emergency illness? Does she decide to do the "noble" thing and say it's Jack's so that Nick will be with his new family? Does Sharon decide to be with Jack, who she knows is a safe bet and will always love her no matter what she does and no matter how many more times he lies to her face about some low-down scheme he does to ruin her family and well-being?????

Oh bloody hell.

Bullocks, I just realized something. Can someone confirm or refute the following spoiler concerning the wretched Quad for me, please?

Does Sharon lie about the paternity and say it's Jack's because of Summer's emergency illness? Does she decide to do the "noble" thing and say it's Jack's so that Nick will be with his new family? Does Sharon decide to be with Jack, who she knows is a safe bet and will always love her no matter what she does and no matter how many more times he lies to her face about some low-down scheme he does to ruin her family and well-being?????

Oh bloody hell.

I don't know if it's been confirmed, but I've seen that spoiler a few different places for this week's episodes. I think it's Monday or Tuesday's episode.

To be clear, I don't expect my hoped-for baby switch to happen . And, in this era of widespread malcontent with the darkness of the show, it should not happen.

I must confess that one of my motivations, though, is to spare Ashley this hurt.

Aww, poor Ashley indeed.

I wish I knew when this whole thing will end. This miscarriage is really sad. I don't think I'll be able to stomach the future scenes where Ashley's belly continues to grow and she thinks her water breaks and conceives nothing. Is that gonna be when people believe that she was in fact crazy and no one was gas-lighting her? When this hysterical pregnancy comes to light and no baby is produced?

Aww man, this miscarriage portion of the gaslighting needs to end soon. Let's get on to Rafe already, please.

brimike, it does suck for TPTB to consider the audience when writing anything, but it seems they're doing that anyway since all of these shocking situations cannot be done because they were inspired. There had to be outside pressure and influences.

I don't know if it's been confirmed, but I've seen that spoiler a few different places for this week's episodes. I think it's Monday or Tuesday's episode.

Yeah, i think so.

Thanks.

Mark, I think it's Option A. B and C don't work because this script was written months ago, long before they even knew they would have to recast.

And I agree - it was a really awkward monologue. Their intentions were in the right place, but it was really clunky. I hate people talking to themselves anyway on soaps. The only thing I hate more is when we hear their thoughts (e.g. JER). I accept it as a necessary evil sometimes, but I can't stand it and think it's a terrible device.

Yup.

They're only a month apart. Ashley found out she was pregnant in February. Sharon found out she was pregnant in March.

And yeah - I accept I'm in the minority with MarkH on this one. LOL! I won't even try to argue it because I know you're right, Carl. No daytime audience would accept it. Still, I love the poetry behind the initial concept of the idea.

Sharon actually took the test and found out she was pregnant in May

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brimike, it does suck for TPTB to consider the audience when writing anything, but it seems they're doing that anyway since all of these shocking situations cannot be done because they were inspired. There had to be outside pressure and influences.

I honestly think MAB/HS/SH just got caught up in the twistedness of the whole story, and forgot who their audience was. I'm not excusing it, but I understand how it happens. They come up with the idea of the gaslighting story, which in its original form, I have no problems with whatsoever. They talk about Adam's role in it, about framing Estella, about using AShley's history with Robert, Sabrina's death and how AShley/Victor reunited before he put Sabrina behind him, etc. It was a perfect idea for the story. And then as they were figuring out the rest of the year, they got caught up in the excitment, the thrill, the tragedy of it all. It's juicy, it's scandalous, it's thrilling, it's suspenseful - and before they know it, they've completely gone too far to the dark side. Which would have been fine if this were a Jackie Collins novel. But it's not - it's a soap run watched by wives and mothers (neither of which I am, but like I said, I fully realize that what I might like is NOT what might be good for the show on a whole). And once you start harming children, it turns a lot of people off.

That being said, I'm excited for the Summer story. But that's just me. I'm just a sucker for good performances, and I think Stafford, Case, Bergman, and Haiduk will kick some serious ass in the next few weeks. But I'm not the intended demographic. And TPTB forgot that when they got caught up in their long story. They needed to write for their audience.

Sharon actually took the test and found out she was pregnant in May

Right, but since Nick's the father, they slept together twice - once in late Feb and once in early march. And AShley was six weeks pregnant in late Feb. So Ashley/Sharon's due dates are only a month/five weeks apart. Sharon just didn't find out she was pregnant until she was three months along. All that blacking-out and kleptomania must have done a number on her menstral cycle. Or so she thought...

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I honestly think MAB/HS/SH just got caught up in the twistedness of the whole story, and forgot who their audience was. I'm not excusing it, but I understand how it happens. They come up with the idea of the gaslighting story, which in its original form, I have no problems with whatsoever. They talk about Adam's role in it, about framing Estella, about using AShley's history with Robert, Sabrina's death and how AShley/Victor reunited before he put Sabrina behind him, etc. It was a perfect idea for the story. And then as they were figuring out the rest of the year, they got caught up in the excitment, the thrill, the tragedy of it all. It's juicy, it's scandalous, it's thrilling, it's suspenseful - and before they know it, they've completely gone too far to the dark side. Which would have been fine if this were a Jackie Collins novel. But it's not - it's a soap run watched by wives and mothers (neither of which I am, but like I said, I fully realize that what I might like is NOT what might be good for the show on a whole). And once you start harming children, it turns a lot of people off.

That being said, I'm excited for the Summer story. But that's just me. I'm just a sucker for good performances, and I think Stafford, Case, Bergman, and Haiduk will kick some serious ass in the next few weeks. But I'm not the intended demographic. And TPTB forgot that when they got caught up in their long story. They needed to write for their audience.

IMO, TPTB have ruined the Quad, Victor, Ashley, and especially Mary Jane and Adam because of (MY SPEC NOT A SPOILER) an upcoming baby switch. They are writing to a plot point and not caring what kind of damage they do the characters. Why else have they turned MJ and Adam into a would be baby killer and an actual baby killer? Why else are Victor and Ashley so very stupid? It's annoying and insulting to the audience.

Yes, it was awful. I think it was meant to [ a ] explain motivations that the writing/acting had not succeeded in explicating to that point, [ b ] help the actor get up to speed, [ c ] help the audience associate Engen's deeds/motivations with Muhney.

Awful, yes. Tolerable on a one-time basis? For me, yes. But it can't be done too often, for this device is the one that provokes more soap eye rolling than almost any other...the only thing worse is when it is done via voiceover.

Except possibly the soap prayer. I HATE chapel scenes more than any other. "Dear God, I know you don't hear from me much. You probably don't know who I am. But please don't punish X for everything I've done wrong."

Brimike, you're a clever one.

Welcome back.

Except possibly the soap prayer. I HATE chapel scenes more than any other. "Dear God, I know you don't hear from me much. You probably don't know who I am. But please don't punish X for everything I've done wrong."

LMAO!!!!!!! Amen!

Brimike, you're a clever one.

Welcome back.

SON is like a drug. And I just keep going back to shoot up again, damnit...

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