I have been waiting for years to get just an evil SOB with no heart, no redemption, no nothing but evil.

If Y&R goes that far with Adam, i will LOVE it.

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YESSSSS!!

I think the biggest problem with Adam being this character is his main enemy is supposed to be Victor, who can never lose. So instead he focuses his rage on Ashley, who is this helpless victim, and instead of viewers enjoying his villainy, some fans end up confused by his motivations, they're bothered by the very vile way he's degrading her. I think this distracts from what Adam could have been as a villain.

I feel like if they went the cougar route with Jill, it wouldn't have much longterm impact and she'd be right back where she is now - single and grumpy.

Isn't this what happened when she was with the young guy 10 years ago? The computer guy?

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YESSSSS!!

OLTL let him go & kept Michael Easton.

It's not fair.

But Gauthier/Walton =

I feel like if they went the cougar route with Jill, it wouldn't have much longterm impact and she'd be right back where she is now - single and grumpy.

It worked for her & Ji Min before LML massacred it.

I think the biggest problem with Adam being this character is his main enemy is supposed to be Victor, who can never lose. So instead he focuses his rage on Ashley, who is this helpless victim,

She's not a victim.

Adam's gotta conscience but it's subsumed by his thirst for revenge.

She's not a victim.

Adam's gotta conscience but it's subsumed by his thirst for revenge.

thats how i see it too.

I mean, yeah she is a victim, but shes not his target. I mean, yes she is, but only in a way to hurt Victor and to some extent Jack.

I mean, yeah she is a victim, but shes not his target. I mean, yes she is, but only in a way to hurt Victor and to some extent Jack.

Exactly.

I think the big difference between Adam and Victor is they'd never take Victor this far. They'd also never make him so weak,

as blinding himself through his dumb scheme is very weak.

I feel like they're almost deliberately taking Adam as far as they can go, perhaps because up to now the story hasn't had enough reason for fans to genuinely hate Adam. But what he's doing to Ashley, not even just the miscarriage lies, but to have her treated by a doctor who molests his female patients, I'm not sure the audience will ever get over that. That's not love to hate, that's pure slime.

I don't know, I think fans have gotten over equally slimey things before. This is probably the equivalent of Todd giving Blair a can of dirt and telling her it was her "dead" baby on OLTL.

She's not a victim.

Adam's gotta conscience but it's subsumed by his thirst for revenge.

I agree. He obviously didn't intend for it to go as far as it did, he seemed genuinely shocked and scared when she fell down the steps. Now though I think he is more about covering his own ass than anything else. Initially it was his thirst for revenge, but now that something has happened that he didn't intend to, he's all about saving his behind moreso than continuing the revenge scheme I believe.

Todd's a special case. He's sort of the Victor of OLTL. Adam could still be a big character on the show but I don't think he'll be under the same leeway with fans Todd has always had.

soap fans can forgive anything they feel like to be honest.

rape, cold blooded murder, baby killers. it doesnt matter. and it really doesnt even take good writing. all you need is a crazy fanbase, lol.

He obviously didn't intend for it to go as far as it did, he seemed genuinely shocked and scared when she fell down the steps. Now though I think he is more about covering his own ass than anything else. Initially it was his thirst for revenge, but now that something has happened that he didn't intend to, he's all about saving his behind moreso than continuing the revenge scheme I believe.

Yep!

soap fans can forgive anything they feel like to be honest.

rape, cold blooded murder, baby killers. it doesnt matter. and it really doesnt even take good writing. all you need is a crazy fanbase, lol.

I think it depends on how the show feels about the character. On GH, many fans got over Ric putting Carly in the panic room and drugging Liz during their marriage, but GH wanted people to hate Ric, so he kept on doing awful things (like screwing his next wife's daughter and then trying to take their child away while she was battling cancer). Even then, many fans were still on his side, but GH still wanted people to hate him and see him as being worse than Sonny. So finally they just started cutting his part down and Rick Hearst left before they could go for the final kill.

If they want Adam to be a character in his own right then they may try to go along with redeeming him, but if they just want him to be a foil for Victor, then he's going to have to get worse and worse and then be written out, otherwise he won't fit their plans.

The best thing this show could do right now, IMHO, is go through the cast list and cut at least 10 people.

Cut the dead weight, the characters that dont work, etc... recast characters that need a strong actor/actress that are important like Colleen or Victoria.

Then come up with stories for the cast you kept.

YES!

Isn't this what happened when she was with the young guy 10 years ago? The computer guy?

Yeah, Jill and Sean Bridges was a temporary diversion...no long term impact. It also didn't help that, IMO, the recast was much less interesting than the original portrayer.

It worked for her & Ji Min before LML massacred it.

I disagree strongly. Ji Min was played by a strong actor, and I would have liked to have seen him developed. But I never bought for a second the sexual chemistry or romance between Jill and JiMin.

Yeah, Jill and Sean Bridges was a temporary diversion...no long term impact. It also didn't help that, IMO, the recast was much less interesting than the original portrayer

That recast was the last straw when it came to Kay Alden and Ed Scott's working relationship. Scott didn't like the original actor, so he recast, which pissed Alden off.

That recast was the last straw when it came to Kay Alden and Ed Scott's working relationship. Scott didn't like the original actor, so he recast, which pissed Alden off.

Ed was WRONG! I'll admit that David Lee Russek looked more the "geek" (which was supposedly, I guess, a conception of the role)...but Christoper Douglas brought the sexy. I haven't been totally impressed by Douglas on OLTL or Passions, but on Y&R he played this laid back and sexy dude...a perfect counterpart to JW's high strung Jill.

Regardless, I don't miss the character at all.

Edited June 12, 200916 yr by Rhiannon