Haaa, well, honestly I forgot Gloria and Jeff (and JT and Victoria, who would be on the list) were on the show. And I would have included Lily but really only because CK is just such a bad actress. So so terrible, her acting in and around the wedding was just...I felt like I was watching Hannah Montana.

Wow. Perfect, perfect description. And the honeymoon. Those bed scenes. MY GOD! Both of them grinning like fools, and Goddard trying his intense stare and showing off his armpit FOREVER...and the sticky fruit...I'm shuddering.

I would write off JT and Victoria, happy and in love and with their child, then bring Vicki back in a few years as a single mother (because JT died or something, who cares) played by someone who could act, preferably Heather Tom.

I'm still holding on to the bad-boy JT (who was the SALVATION of Glow-by-Jabot for me) and the Colleen who was his soul mate. I realize I'm stuck in the past. But you're right...this version of JT and Victoria can end. Me? I'd replace with Heather Tom tomorrow. Quickly split up Victoria and JT, and have Victoria win custody of Reed. An embittered, unemployed JT would then return to snarky donkey, and engage in self-destructive behaviors. Colleen (played by Lyndsy Fonseca or Adrienne Leon) would save him from himself.

If ratings fall soon with the gay storyline and if the Phillip III storyline flops, I can see Sony getting more involved.

You're right. This is a HUGE choice point. The last Joanne-Kay lesbianism thing almost tanked the show. Now, the world has changed, and we have some forebears on AMC, OLTL, GH, GL, ATWT...even Passions. But if Y&R starts to lose the stability it gained over the last few months, I could see a panic button being pushed.

When Jana's brain tumor begins to act up again, she should start a serial-killing spree, first blowing up Crimson Lights with all the Fisher/Baldwins. Then, fleeing Genoa City and blinded by her bitterness and madness, she ends up at Jimmy's bar, spotting Cane about to close shop. She mistakes him for Kevin, unsure she was successful in her past crime, and bashes his brain in with a few bottles of Foster's.

LMAO. They could likely use Mary Jane or Adam for a similar function, the way they are headed. But this description still has me giggling.

Santa Barbara reached its creative heights and Emmy glory when the Dobson's were thrown out during those initial years.

If the costs don't come down and Maria and Billy don't so some cast and writing cutting, Sony may be forced to intervene.

That's interesting. Are you saying AFTER the Dobson's left, SB reached its best? Do you know who was writing, then, during that period?

I guess Y&R is trying the 30-40% cost cuts for everyone. But I am 100% supportive of bringing down costs with cast cuts too. There are many people here on whom we seem to have widespread agreement.

I think the idea of negotiating contracts, too, where people get guarantees for PART of the year, and are essentially recurring for other parts of the year, could work too. Then you do concentrated storytelling, but you send folks off when they are lighter in story. But I recognize this makes storytelling very fragmented...like everyone is Anthony Geary. But something must be done with this huge and largely neglected cast.

That's interesting. Are you saying AFTER the Dobson's left, SB reached its best? Do you know who was writing, then, during that period?

Chuckie Pratt and Anne Howard Bailey.

Where exactly is she wasting money?

If you ask me Y&R is the only show left interesting in telling stories about people. The rest are traipsing from plot to plot with absolutely no interest in writing people with personalities or honest relationships. Yes, Y&R is plot heavy but the character interactions are so true to who they are I forget sometimes that the plot is moving along.

Or maybe a speck of gold really shimmers when surrounded by shite. Who knows?

Wow. Perfect, perfect description. And the honeymoon. Those bed scenes. MY GOD! Both of them grinning like fools, and Goddard trying his intense stare and showing off his armpit FOREVER...and the sticky fruit...I'm shuddering.

Those were such coma-inducing sucky scenes just thrown in into an otherwise okay episode. Someone has a huge hard-on for that couple and it's killing every episode they're in.

I never thought of her as a master storyteller, just better than most of daytime at the moment.

Chuckie Pratt and Anne Howard Bailey.

Really? Really? Pratt? Really? I'm re-examining...

Where exactly is she wasting money?

If you ask me Y&R is the only show left interesting in telling stories about people. The rest are traipsing from plot to plot with absolutely no interest in writing people with personalities or honest relationships. Yes, Y&R is plot heavy but the character interactions are so true to who they are I forget sometimes that the plot is moving along.

Or maybe a speck of gold really shimmers when surrounded by shite. Who knows?

Yes, but many of the personalities on the list of cuts...Tyra, Ana, Devon, JT, Victoria...these people are now devoid of personality. These folks can go, and there would be little sacrifice to history, plot, or character. Victoria should be ESSENTIAL, but under Heinle she is not. Therefore, she can leave until they are ready again for a strong Victoria.

Those were such coma-inducing sucky scenes just thrown in into an otherwise okay episode. Someone has a huge hard-on for that couple and it's killing every episode they're in.

Really? I thought that couple COST most people their hard-ons

That's interesting. Are you saying AFTER the Dobson's left, SB reached its best? Do you know who was writing, then, during that period?

Lots of SB fans consider the middle years to be SB's best, and the show won 3 consecutive Emmy's for Outstanding Drama Series, WITHOUT the Dobson's (well, they were kind of involved with the first infamous win). JFP was promoted during this time, SB was her first gig as an EP, she actually kept that show together when the Dobson's were ejected from power.

I guess Y&R is trying the 30-40% cost cuts for everyone. But I am 100% supportive of bringing down costs with cast cuts too. There are many people here on whom we seem to have widespread agreement.

Jess Walton recently told Nelson, I believe, that Y&R's licensing fees were CUT, which tells me SONY is trying their best to make this show work on a tight budget. If money continues to be wasted, they'll have to stage some form of intervention.

Y&R, and B&B, have let go of many people in production over the past couple of months. Almost every department has felt the burden of the economic crisis. I see no reason the show can't operate with LESS writers and LESS actors. They have to pick and choose wisely though.

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Really? Really? Pratt? Really? I'm re-examining...

That's why most people were confused by his GH and now his AMC. Years have done a lot wrong to this writer, or maybe it is just network interference after all. We all know that Fronsie will put all the ABC soaps into the ground because he's working heavily on having his stamp on each of those shows.

Yes, but many of the personalities on the list of cuts...Tyra, Ana, Devon, JT, Victoria...these people are now devoid of personality. These folks can go, and there would be little sacrifice to history, plot, or character. Victoria should be ESSENTIAL, but under Heinle she is not. Therefore, she can leave until they are ready again for a strong Victoria.

Exactly!

Can we play fantasy AMC poaching for a second?

Victoria Newman....Alisha Minshew

Colleen Carlton...Chriselle Stuasse

Mackenzie Browning...Melissa Claire Egan

Please God NO to Alisha Minshew, she's one of the reasons that I no longer watch the show.

Wow. Perfect, perfect description. And the honeymoon. Those bed scenes. MY GOD! Both of them grinning like fools, and Goddard trying his intense stare and showing off his armpit FOREVER...and the sticky fruit...I'm shuddering.

I'm still holding on to the bad-boy JT (who was the SALVATION of Glow-by-Jabot for me) and the Colleen who was his soul mate. I realize I'm stuck in the past. But you're right...this version of JT and Victoria can end. Me? I'd replace with Heather Tom tomorrow. Quickly split up Victoria and JT, and have Victoria win custody of Reed. An embittered, unemployed JT would then return to snarky donkey, and engage in self-destructive behaviors. Colleen (played by Lyndsy Fonseca or Adrienne Leon) would save him from himself.

Did you really have to rehash that awful honeymoon? Once was definitely enough.

I like your scenario of the bad-boy JT resurfacing otherwise he's about as bland as they come.

No, JT needs to be written out, and I sense he will be soon.

And, I still can't wait until Sony takes this show over and MAB gets screwed out of her job.

Where exactly is she wasting money?

If you ask me Y&R is the only show left interesting in telling stories about people. The rest are traipsing from plot to plot with absolutely no interest in writing people with personalities or honest relationships. Yes, Y&R is plot heavy but the character interactions are so true to who they are I forget sometimes that the plot is moving along.

Indeed.

No, JT needs to be written out, and I sense he will be soon.

Yep.

Amelia ruined him.

When Jana's brain tumor begins to act up again, she should start a serial-killing spree, first blowing up Crimson Lights with all the Fisher/Baldwins. Then, fleeing Genoa City and blinded by her bitterness and madness, she ends up at Jimmy's bar, spotting Cane about to close shop. She mistakes him for Kevin, unsure she was successful in her past crime, and bashes his brain in with a few bottles of Foster's.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

No, JT needs to be written out, and I sense he will be soon.

I really wouldn't mind him leaving either.

Amelia didn't ruin him, Y&R ruined him by letting the couple dictate who they are paired with.

Amelia didn't ruin him, Y&R ruined him by letting the couple dictate who they are paired with.

Same difference.

TPTB put themselves in a horrible position.