1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

I actually think this fit Donna.

She was made to not be with Michael, forced to have Marley raised as her sister instead of her daughter, and didn't know she had Victoria.

Between 1983 to 1986, she had to admit Marley was her daughter, found out she had another daughter, had Michael come back, and then her long thought to be dead father comes back.... no wonder she flipped out.  

I always thought she was so cold and snobby in 1983 because she had love/happiness taken away from her so she became cold.  And any maternal feelings she had for Marley had to be repressed.

I think had Harding Lemay stayed in 1988, he would have delved into Donna/Marley's complicated relationship.  Marley's whole world and identity had to have been shaken...and seeing how those 2 learned to see one another as mom/daughter would have been interesting...instead of the tired good/bad twin trope.

I think that those of us who who put MdP as a misogynist & as a writer of serial violence have true aim. It is telling that in the 'Frankie Frame Gruesome Murder saga' Jill Phelps whose responsibility it was tried to get the ending changed so Frankie would not be seen killed on camera perhaps instead a soapy "not-death" but Jill's power was waning while MdP's was on the rise. MdP said how it would be.

7 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

I believe that the man she was with for many years was taking a run at Hollywood & she decided she would take a stab at it herself. Sure missed her while she was gone! I still have the VCR tapes of her first full week back which included the Fun House Mirrors, Jason Frame's shooting, Stacy Winthrop's the Beast Derek & hair extensions for Felicia. Cass was with Nicole Love. I think to Donna Reginald was just 100% domineering. And, to Marisa he was lord & master & she was brain-washed. In a way Donna & Marisa both were.

Thanks Donna i didn't know that. Jason Frame's murder mystery was good. The only thing i didn't like was how Nicole was thrown under the bus. I loved a scene where Felicia sporting her weave. Was getting ready for her 40th birthday bash. As Carly Simon's - Sleight Of Hand plays. 

 

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1 hour ago, victoria foxton said:

Thanks Donna i didn't know that. Jason Frame's murder mystery was good. The only thing i didn't like was how Nicole was thrown under the bus. I loved a scene where Felicia sporting her weave. Was getting ready for her 40th birthday bash. As Carly Simon's - Sleight Of Hand plays. 

Oh my, what a good clip & a good morning to you. Poor Nicole Love she kept a secret for such a long time!

 

@TonksadoraGood Morning.😊

3 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

I loved a scene where Felicia sporting her weave.

I certainly didn't notice this at the time but it's kind of cool how the mirrors in Jason & Sharlene's scene and Felicia's scene foreshadow his death in the Hall of Mirrors. 

6 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

The only thing i didn't like was how Nicole was thrown under the bus.

I was actually excited at the time for Nicole to be obliterated because Cass and Frankie were a much more appealing option. The character of Nicole in this incarnation was not interesting to me. Did she have any real relationship with Donna and Victoria or Marley? All I remember is her with Cass and Felicia. 

 

2 hours ago, Xanthe said:

I was actually excited at the time for Nicole to be obliterated because Cass and Frankie were a much more appealing option. The character of Nicole in this incarnation was not interesting to me. Did she have any real relationship with Donna and Victoria or Marley? All I remember is her with Cass and Felicia. 

 

I remember scenes of Nicole with Donna (faux and real Donna)...and I think she had interaction with Vicky..because Vicky lent something to Nicole..that made Cass realize she was the killer.

2 hours ago, Xanthe said:

I was actually excited at the time for Nicole to be obliterated because Cass and Frankie were a much more appealing option. The character of Nicole in this incarnation was not interesting to me. Did she have any real relationship with Donna and Victoria or Marley? All I remember is her with Cass and Felicia. 

 

 I think it's a matter of preference.  But i did come to like Frankie over time.  I do remember Nicole having plenty of scenes with both Donna's. Nicole also had a nice friendship with Aunt Liz. When Liz worked for her.

The continuous recasts of Nicole were problematic.  At first she was the party girl/rich girl/model.  That was a good contrast to the uppity Donna and the stallwart Peter, who you knew came from money, but was a smart, level headed hard worker.  Nicole Part Deux was some sort of combination of smart, level headed and she all of sudden sang.  She pretended to be a reporter to get to meet Michael.  She was the one who stood up to Reginald.  Then we get Designer Nicole.  Not as confident.  Not as level headed.  She never really had much of a base in Bay City and seemed to come in for a storyline and then once that came to an end, they didn't know what to do with her.  Once she went to jail and Peter left town, the Loves were really the Hudsons and that was that.  It certainly happens as time goes on as it happens in real life....but with the constant change of head writers as well.

Billboard July 1982

Any fans of the soap opera "Another World" on NBC will be interested in "Ms. D.J. Rap It Up!" by She on Clappers Records. The 'She' in question is named Shelia Spencer, better known as Thomasina on "Another World." She's a reformed juvenile delinquent trying to be a good girl and is going with this nice guy, but is being tempted by ... You get the picture. Anyway, this is Spencer's first time on record, though soap opera connoisseurs may remember her from a stint on "The Guiding Light."

In 1990, Charles Keating directed a production of Romeo & Juliet in which Stephen Schnetzer played Mercutio.

38 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Billboard July 1982

Any fans of the soap opera "Another World" on NBC will be interested in "Ms. D.J. Rap It Up!" by She on Clappers Records. The 'She' in question is named Shelia Spencer, better known as Thomasina on "Another World." She's a reformed juvenile delinquent trying to be a good girl and is going with this nice guy, but is being tempted by ... You get the picture. Anyway, this is Spencer's first time on record, though soap opera connoisseurs may remember her from a stint on "The Guiding Light."

And here it is:

 

13 hours ago, ScottyBman said:

The continuous recasts of Nicole were problematic.  At first she was the party girl/rich girl/model.  That was a good contrast to the uppity Donna and the stallwart Peter, who you knew came from money, but was a smart, level headed hard worker.  Nicole Part Deux was some sort of combination of smart, level headed and she all of sudden sang.  She pretended to be a reporter to get to meet Michael.  She was the one who stood up to Reginald.  Then we get Designer Nicole.  Not as confident.  Not as level headed.  She never really had much of a base in Bay City and seemed to come in for a storyline and then once that came to an end, they didn't know what to do with her.  Once she went to jail and Peter left town, the Loves were really the Hudsons and that was that.  It certainly happens as time goes on as it happens in real life....but with the constant change of head writers as well.

Peter likewise changed as he was recast -- from the original stalwart basically good guy to the duplicitous creep who tried to sabotage Sally's relationship with Catlin to the sniveling needy child who would do anything to gain Reginald's approval. More than the casting I think the writing was the root of the problem. When the Love family was introduced we got a very good sense of how their wealth and privilege had affected each of the children differently and yet convincingly. As time went on there was no clear sense that there was any difference in class between the Loves and anyone else in Bay City. (I'm not saying that egalitarianism is wrong, just that where the differences exist it adds depth to characterization to portray them.)

On 6/24/2022 at 2:19 PM, victoria foxton said:

I do remember Nicole having plenty of scenes with both Donna's.

I'm struggling to recall any real relationship they had that might have offered Nicole a lifeline instead of her being locked up and forgotten after she went off the deep end. I know when Nicole came back with her vendetta against Barbara Van Arkdale she didn't want anything to do with Reginald and got engaged to Cass (actually Rex Allingham impersonating Cass) in order to get access to her trust fund, while Donna was trying to get pregnant and also some bullshit regarding John that I don't even want to describe.

1 hour ago, Xanthe said:

In 1990, Charles Keating directed a production of Romeo & Juliet in which Stephen Schnetzer played Mercutio.

And here it is:

 

mcKinnon day

That's Pamela G. Kay Thomasina # 2

 

On 6/23/2022 at 9:05 PM, Tonksadora said:

I believe that the man she was with for many years was taking a run at Hollywood & she decided she would take a stab at it herself. Sure missed her while she was gone! I still have the VCR tapes of her first full week back which included the Fun House Mirrors, Jason Frame's shooting, Stacy Winthrop's the Beast Derek & hair extensions for Felicia. Cass was with Nicole Love. I think to Donna Reginald was just 100% domineering. And, to Marisa he was lord & master & she was brain-washed. In a way Donna & Marisa both were.

I think you are right.  If I remember correctly, I read that Anna Stuart auditioned for the Role of Jessica on the newly created Soap Generations that turned into a complete flop.  She did not get the role and prob a blessing in disguise as she made her way back to NY and I think even contacted AW and requested to come back.  Philece Sampler (RIP) was playing the role of Donna at that time and I dont think the fans were as favorable to her as they were to Anna. I am sure the producers thought the same thing.  I thought I did hear too that Philece did want to move on so not sure if they fired her or it just worked out she wanted out and Anna wanted back in