Y&R/ Maria Bell losing their way?

[Sylph]

The PMs?

[Vee]

Actually, I still don't know what that is about, but no, this was my question.

I do care about the answer. Any time you're ready.

[Vee]

*checks watch*

[Sylph]

As things stand right now... I first wasn't going to reply. At all. Why would I? You've already made up your mind, you know exactly how I'm going to reply, you will say my answer is "typical Sylph"... But... Now I'm having second thoughts: perhaps, and you will interpret this as definitely not, I will reply. When? I don't know. Why don't I reply right away? I think you're expecting a long, drawn out, perhaps even a tiny bit emotional, thorough reply and I have to think how to and whether to do it... So you can stop checking the watch.

[MTSRocks]

LoL, Vee. Trust me, people will avoid your posts because you are objective, intelligent, and rational.

And yes rover I'm the same MTSRocks. Still holding a grudge from another board. WTF is this junior high?

Like I said, why watch something that aggravates you so much, then come in to a thread and constantly whine when people don't agree with you?

[Soapsuds]

Hmmm...haven't seen you in years MTSRocks. Nice to see you around these parts of town.

[Vee]

Wow! Okay. You do whatever you want, Sylph.

I honestly don't know how you will reply. I have no idea. I'm curious to find out. Just bear in mind that the longer you wait, the more opinions are going to be set about you, maybe even more than you're set about yours. People are going to look at you and think, no wonder he doesn't write for the soaps, he doesn't even have the fortitude to be able to accurately express himself without demeaning other people. There's no follow-through, no ability to close the deal as a writer or a theorist. People are going to say that if you can't even distinguish yourself as clear-headed, forward-thinking and articulate on a board of boring, generic, same-y lemmings, then how can you be expected to be listened to as a new voice of change? They're going to say that even though this board is generic, saccharine and full of happy-talk, your studied nihilism without substance or ability to articulate purpose makes you the most vapid and generic person here.

And I don't think you want to be seen that way. So take all the time you need, but remember, people want to hear you knock it out of the park. If your convictions are strong and your message is valid, then you should have no problem.

Personally? For me, the jury's still out on you. And a lot of other people feel the same, I'll bet. So you probably don't want to blow this. Nobody wants to look vapid.

[Khan]

IA. I certainly can appreciate, too, how Maria and her team are building on previously established history, and not devising one for Kevin that doesn't jibe with all that we know about him and is just for the sake of one storyline. I wish they'd spent more time on Clint's brainwashing Kevin (if Papa Bell were writing, you know it would've lasted months); but, you know, whatev.

Actually, I tend to believe Adam is faking his blindness. Even if he isn't, though, there's no question in my mind that either he, or he and Estella, or even he, Estella and Rafe, are behind Ashley's "gaslighting".

How interesting would it be, too, if 1) Adam's blindness were permanent, and not conveniently reversed down the road b/c the writers are tired of writing for someone w/ a disability; and 2) he were a villain who just happened to be without sight? Frankly, the fact that we should be sympathetic toward him because he is blind, is an outmoded way of thinking in my book.

Word. If you ask me, I think the stuff that came after Kay and Esther's rescue was just a stall tactic, either b/c, they didn't know where to go after that; or b/c, they needed Kay to re-remember everything (and have her diagnosed w/ Lyme disease) at a specific time.

On the one hand, it is good. However, OTOH, I'm afraid it won't be like it was before, b/c they have had time to bond as (supposed) mother and daughter. Kay even remarked once, shortly after the truth was revealed, how she felt sorry for Jill, b/c her entire world was about to change. Seems to me like, no matter how ugly things will get from now on, one or the other always will hold back, if only a little; and that's no fun, lol.

Now, if Jill had gotten drunk after learning she was not really Kay's daughter, let's say, and she accidentally ran down and killed Murph with her car, that, I think, would've added sufficient fuel to restart the old fire. It also would've been a strange case of tit-for-tat; Kay's recklessness had cost Jill her love; and now, Jill's recklessness costs Kay hers.

I'll be happy just to see these people have a genuine storyline again (...and to see Thad Luckinbill half-naked).

Now, I agree with you about no one being portrayed favorably in this storyline; but, I sincerely doubt the writers know from one bed-hop to the next where to take it, or how it all will end. More so than your average Y&R male character, Nick, IMO, is flip-flopping way too much between Sharon and Phyllis. That kinda says to me one person wants the triangle to go one way, while another one wants it to go the other. Of course, YMMV.

Word to all that. If you want to label me racist, go ahead; but I'd rather have no Blacks on this show than ones as boring as these.

I think it's still early, and we haven't seen her enough, so I won't pass final judgment yet on CF as Mac. That said...? Yeah, I'm not feeling the chemistry between her and BM, either. I hope Y&R has not placed all their eggs in the Billy/Chloe/Mac basket, b/c this is one storyline (and triangle) I see going "bust" with the folks at home.

You are so not kidding. If I were Humphrey Bogart, I'd claw my way out of the grave just to lay the smackdown on those two.

No doubt, these two just aren't "clicking" for me either. Perhaps, it's time for the show to cut their losses where Eden is concerned?

As I've said before, though, in another thread (...I think; I have e-mail buddies I talk about the show with often), I am hard-pressed to name one young couple on Y&R who've risen above "mediocre". Even the original Billy & Mac, before all the WTF? recasts, were a couple I liked, but not necessarily loved. In fact, I think the only time where one could say Y&R had a great teen/young adult storyline at all was during the Danny/Lauren/Traci storyline -- and that probably was due more to the rivalry between Lauren and Traci than to Danny!

[MTSRocks]

Ya, I thought I'd check back in now that the school year is over, and I recovered my password LoL.

I'm loving how Vee is putting Sylph on blast. It's so utterly delicious. I can just see him frantically googling various intelligent sources, trying to pass it off as his own knowledge.

[Soapsuds]

Good to have you back MTSRocks!

[dm.]

I am just so tired of thinking about how bad Noah, Eden, Tyra, Ana, Lily, Cane and Colleen are. It takes so much out of you knowing that they aren't doing anything to sort out these mistakes. I can handle everyone else, even Gloria, but these few are just horrible, IMO.

[Vee]

Leave him alone. He has to think about this. This is where he proves he's not vapid or devoid of ideas like the rest of us. Taunting him only distracts him.

[Khan]

Even worse, much of the mistakes can be corrected with recasts (except Eden, who, I think, just needs to go away).

[Sylph]

LMAO! Yeah. One of the reasons why I wasn't going to reply was because Vee totally cooked this up as the best soap "on air" right now: he wants to ridicule me in front of everyone and offer good entertainment for all the Sylph haters (MTS, Ruckston and a whole platoon of other people). So he wasn't serious, he just likes to see me confirm his theory about me time and time again.

[MarkH]

Now, while I don't want to lose Murph for anything...this is an idea of such stunning brilliance, such incredibly good impact...I now want to see it done. Wow...THAT would motivate the feud, especially after the way that Jill has been talking about the worm-digger. I especially like the "symmetry" of your "drunken vehicular death". Awesome.

Again, the nail is hit on the head. The problem is not Noah. I'm sensing Kevin G. Schmidt might have chemistry with anyone. But the weak link is Eden...and it is just not working there.