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[Maxim]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/opinion/joe-biden-democratic-nominee.html

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George Clooney: I Love Joe Biden. But We Need a New Nominee.

 

I hate that this is happening. 

[Khan]

If he's lost George Clooney, he's lost...well, actually, he hasn't lost a damn thing:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/10/george-clooney-calls-on-biden-to-drop-out-of-presidential-race.html

Edited July 10, 2024 by Khan

[DRW50]

Michael Douglas has also joined in, helping to drag this news cycle out for two straight weeks now.

It's very odd to me because it seems obvious that Biden is not dropping out and even if his polling drops to catastrophic levels he might not drop out. This is now very personal to him, more than ever, probably against these "elites" even more than Trump. And yet instead of wagon-circling, a number of celebrities and talk show hosts, even the most "normie" liberal like Colbert, are calling for him to go.

Why?

Do they assume Trump will win and they have decided they need to save face, even though they will be the least affected among us? 

In the case of Jon Stewart, it's likely just his general smugness and smarting that some people finally had enough of his both sides BS. Others like Colbert may genuinely believe what they're saying, because even though I'm not a big fan, I do genuinely believe he's a good person...but this is also the man who took a photo op with Sean Spicer, so I can't help wondering if it's to try to keep his show on the air if Trump wins. All I can say is Colbert will probably still be put in the same box many of us would be put in.

I also wonder who they would want to take over. Do they think America in 2024 would vote for Kamala Harris? 

Edited July 10, 2024 by DRW50

[NothinButAttitude]

I think that all the elites are coming out b/c they don't want Kamala anywhere near the presidency TBH. With each passing day, it becomes apparent. I am going to just rip the bandaid off and tell the truth. These WHITE elites don't want a Black woman in power. That is what I am deducing. I feel they'd prefer to toss Biden/Harris aside altogether. 

I might have to take a break from social media b/c this is upsetting me. The win is right there and these elite bast*rds are just throwing it away. I am losing hope with each passing second. 

[Maxim]

It will be such a WIN this time when Joe does it again. And I hope he remembers all these people who... on the first sign of trouble, wanted to push him off the boat. No respect to the man who saved the entire country from that creature... 3 and a half years ago.

JOE BIDEN, you are an inspiration.

 

[Juliajms2]

I wish celebrities would just step back on this one. It's not helpful for people in positions of power to speak out against their own at this stage of things. 

If Joe Biden stepped and Harris ran I honestly don't know what would happen. There was a time people didn't think Obama could win, but he did. I would say 2024 America is a more hateful country towards non whites and women, but I believe we could still win if people would just vote.

I have to laugh at people who say the Islamist are coming to put us all under Sharia. Meanwhile the White Christians Nationalists are trying to bring us all into a theocracy and they have a real chance of making it happen. Not say say disinformation and meddling from Iran isn't dangerous by any means.

[DRW50]

Josh Hawley was out a few days ago bragging about how proud he is of Christian Nationalism and the media ignored it, or in the case of the "progressives" who have always adored him, spun it into a top.

I think the country that voted for Obama doesn't exist now - the racism unleashed by morons and bigots over his winning has never been addressed and may never be. I would vote for Harris, but she has gotten so much hate from the time her Presidential campaign started, which has not changed.

If Clooney was led in part by anger over Biden criticizing the ICC's views on Netanyahu, as some are speculating, then his throwing us all under the bus (when he doesn't even live here anymore) puts me off even more than I already was.

As this just drags on and on, likely with Biden going nowhere and looking increasingly out of touch with his own party at the worst possible time, the chilling effect is crippling the party. Yet I do not hear about Clooney, Colbert, Douglas, Stewart, etc. writing checks for the down ballot races that will be affected by their game-playing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/disastrous-biden-campaign-fundraising-takes-major-hit-rcna161214

Edited July 11, 2024 by DRW50

[Maxim]

I think we are living and witnessing an unprecedented era of ageism. It saddens me how people mock and ridicule older people and so called experts laughing after clips of Biden... sickens me... make me want to vomit.

Disgusting behavior from people who are not 12 anymore.

I can't wait for the press conference today. 

[marceline]

I've said this elsewhere but it's telling how all these people start out by saying how much they love Joe Biden then they turn around and stab him in the back. "I love you, not let me publicly humiliate you."

It shows a stunning lack of character. Not just the political cowardice but the way  they try to frame their betrayal and treachery as something noble that's being done from a place of concern. It's vile.

[NothinButAttitude]

[Juliajms2]

@DRW50Has there ever been a more self defeating group of people than the Democrats? The ability to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory stun me. We had a number of progressive congress people gleefully rallying against Biden well before the debate. Every single one of them should be primaried and sent packing. It also doesn't help that the Republicans are united by religion, hate and the love of money.

The Josh Hawley comments are awful. They claim to love America, while going against the very ideals of the country. Not that we've ever lived up to those ideals as a society, but to see politicians flout them so openly is worrying.

 

[MichaelGL]

This. And I'm just sitting on the sidelines watching my party burn itself down. I've made a grea effort of ignoring all and any news media for the past week or so. 

[titan1978]

Clooney lost me when he tried to circumvent the strike process after having dinner with I believe WB studio head Zaslov. He assembled (although many of them refused to go public about it) a bunch of A list millionaire talent to negotiate the terms for the contract independent of their Union “to benefit the rank and file member more than themselves”. Bullshit.

He certainly didn’t have as much vigor for attacking Zaslov’s strategy to tax write off completed projects, upsetting and demoralizing talent left and right!

The fact that none of these elites have asked Biden to step aside and specifically requested they put Harris at the top of the ticket says it all about her and them. Do they not realize just how popular that ticket still remains with Black voters? And thanks to Taraji (not the media), folks have been looking into Project 2025 and were starting to be motivated again after expressing some collective apathy.

I hate that the most unserious people with money at stake are the voices that keep trying to disrupt this process. It’s already an oligarchy when people are out here screaming not the big money doners!

[marceline]

I haven't cared much about ratings since I stopped watching soaps but the tweet below made me realize that we're in the middle of sweeps. To me that adds an interesting bit of context to the frenzied hysteria we're seeing.

CNN just laid off 100 people. Ratings and traffic have cratered for much of the media. We can starve them.

 

[Maxim]

There was this misstep where Joe called Zelensky - Putin... In mistake... tonight and now the whole world is screaming about it. On every media channel and site. I did not plan to suffer tonight. Jesus Christ. 

I have such empathy for Joe... I can't stand how they are crucifying him.