The Politics Thread

[NothinButAttitude]

This warmed my heart to see the Labour party emerge victorious. Hopefully, this becomes our outcome here in the U.S. with the Democrats wiping the floor with Republicans. 

[Vee]

Oh, it's not that dramatic! But I take your point.

[Maxim]

These people making dementia jokes better pray this doesn't happen to them or their loved ones. I lost my grandmother to dementia and it's not a laughing matter. Even to hint that someone has it, without having it... with a humorous or joking dimension... IT'S DISGUSTING.

[marceline]

And that's what these people don't understand. This kind of behavior doesn't win them votes. It hurts Republicans because it drives away decent people in the very demos that vote most reliably.

[janea4old]

https://democracyforward.org/the-peoples-guide-to-project-2025/

Edited July 5, 2024 by janea4old

[janea4old]

The new UK cabinet, Labour party, effective today July 5.
Amazing.  Can the U.S do something like this, please?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/05/who-are-the-new-labour-cabinet

[DRW50]

This is why all the fallout from the debate has helped them so much. They now have cover for all their cheap shots and bile, from the press and from a number of Democrats and their donors. There's a constant drip, drip, drip, for a week now. I saw a hand-wringing piece about how Democrats in rural areas now blame Biden for their inevitable wipeout in November. Today several more big donors like Abigail Disney came out saying they wouldn't support Biden and suggesting Kamala Harris instead. Sanjay Gupta was on CNN calling for extensive cognitive tests of Biden (while paying lip service to Trump already passing those tests). And from what I've read, George Stephanopoulos is grilling Biden about the same "anonymous sources" and claims against his cognition. 

This is exactly what they were waiting for to get to repeat the 2016 Hillary playbook. "but her emails" is what people remember, but there were also months of gaslighting about her health. Dr. Drew's interview speculating to no end about Hillary is the exact same line that Gupta is using now about Biden. And it sucks up all the media conversation to where truly alarming stories, like Project 2025, go nowhere.

Some would say, "Well that's why Biden should drop out," but even if he does, they will find narratives against Harris or whoever else, because they love Trump on a personal level and they love the money he printed for them. If we all have to pay the price - any price - they're fine with it. More than fine - they're overjoyed.

Edited July 6, 2024 by DRW50

[janea4old]

I posted this in the journalism thread, now cross-posting here to politics thread

 

[MichaelGL]

While the left has been hit with negative news for the past week and a half,  France has just rejected La Pen's far right ideals. Seems like the center and left of the country teamed up to defeat them. 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/france-far-right-fails-win-majority-rcna160586

Edited July 7, 2024 by MichaelGL

[I Am A Swede]

A very pleasant surprise!   

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[Wendy]

So, keeping score, Britain and France are much smarter than the US.

[Vee]

We shall see.

[DRW50]

They also have forms of government that make these moments easier for them.

Sadly, in the US, the vocal "left" is heavily populated by Trump supporters and sympathizers. Many like Brie Brie, Cornel West, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Jill Stein, etc. would gladly vote for Trump over any Democrat (and likely Bernie too).

[Vee]

The good news there is they all remain a very online minority, dwindling more.

[DRW50]

That's true in a way, but they have been given so much fodder due to those who are loudly boycotting Democrats due to Gaza and have said they will happily support Trump to send a message. It's a perfect storm. And now the party is so busy being torn apart over whether to support Biden or not that they can't even present a unified front.