the writing is on the wall for a colleen recast or written out all together. she had no family scenes, wasnt at the funeral, etc... even just sitting there reacting as others were.

did she even have a scene with her mother?

God, the expression of Nikki's face when Jill told her that she had a miserable life was priceless. LOL!

God, the expression of Nikki's face when Jill told her that she had a miserable life was priceless. LOL!

Yes it was! Someone has to make a screencap! LOL

the writing is on the wall for a colleen recast or written out all together. she had no family scenes, wasnt at the funeral, etc... even just sitting there reacting as others were.

did she even have a scene with her mother?

Don't get my hopes up here. The whole time since Tammin came aboard she's barely had any interaction with her family, strange isn't it? I hope they are in the process of a recast since she's not been seen since Halloween in her witchy costume. If she's not seen next week (which is only 3 days of new episodes), she will not have been seen for a month.

You'd think that as important as having all of the Abbott's present in the last week (especially Dina) that she would have at least been inserted into one scene.

Edited November 21, 200817 yr by Heyou

Don't get my hopes up here. The whole time since Tammin came aboard she's barely had any interaction with her family, strange isn't it? I hope they are in the process of a recast since she's not been seen since Halloween in her witchy costume. If she's not seen next week (which is only 3 days of new episodes), she will not have been seen for a month.

You'd think that as important as having all of the Abbott's present in the last week (especially Dina) that she would have at least been inserted into one scene.

Well up until recently the abbots were not much of a family.

Yes it was! Someone has to make a screencap! LOL

Here you go.

the writing is on the wall for a colleen recast or written out all together.

Are you trying to scare me?

Well up until recently the abbots were not much of a family.

Yes, I realize that but LML seemed to love DD (Brad) and she did have some episodes with him and Jack but they were few and far between compared to the two previous ones.

These last two weeks of episodes have been absolutely wonderful. Did anyone else notice the look on Billy's face when it was announced that Esther got Kay's interest in the mansion?

I loved the scenes of Nikki closing the door of Chancellor Mansion as if it was her las time. It was classic soap.

Thanks for the screenshot, Alvin. I hope we continue to see more of Jill vs Nikki.

Here you go.

Bwahahahaha...what a perfect facial expression, not a drop of Botox in that face...methinks Nikki's life is about to go from bad to worse, much much worse. Can't wait!

I am in love with Ruthless Bitch Jill Abbott...thank you dear lord that she has finally been rediscovered!

I was so happy to see an Abbott breakfast again. It is funny how such a stupid little tradition like that brings such comfort and familiarity.

I know, sometimes I think I'm pathetic for noticing all the production changes and use of past history on the show. LOL!

That's what I hated most about Latham. She took away all the little nuances that were apart of the show from its inception. To the casual viewer and those who became Y&R viewers during her tenure, it was no big deal. But for those of us who watched for years, those little things like music, directing, history references, and family meetings added to the show's uniqueness. When it was stripped, Y&R no longer stood out. I'm glad the show is getting more in tuned with its root. I personally don't care if people don't want the Y&R of yesteryear, the show feels more like "home" again to me than it's felt in a long time.

Maybe if Latham didn't strip the show of its nuances abruptly, the transition would've been easier to handle. But the changes were so rapid that I never got used to them. I also hated the conversations between characters where they would mention stuff that never happened. Needless to say, I'm glad she's gone, even if the ratings fell after she left. I don't need ratings to prove to me just how good a show is.

Edited November 21, 200817 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Jill, Nikki, Lauren, Traci, Nina ... this week has been wonderful as a fan of all of them.

I know what you mean too. I forgot really how much I missed Liz until I saw her on these shows. I always loved her and Kay together. And I always felt Bill Bell did such a wonderful job with Liz after she married Stuart too. This lady who had been almost as poor as a church mouse was suddenly a wealthy lady of the manor. Liz was so uncomfortable.

Many scenes of those early days still stick out in my mind, but one in particular was when that terrible Bond Gideon was playing Jill. I remember Liz was cleaning up the Chancellor mansion and Jill was officially broke for the first time in a long time. I think it must have not been too long after Stuart divorced her and she didn't get anything. But Jill was really bitching and moaning about her life and didn't know what to do. Liz handed her the feather duster and told her to get to work dusting. It was an hillarious scene. Liz always just told it as it was.

Yes, that was typical Liz. I especially liked the way she would always call Jill "Daughter" in that stern tone of voice, to let Jill know she wouldn't but up with any crap from her. They kind of harkened back to that at the funeral, where she called Jill "daughter" instead of by her name - although given the mood, it was much softer for the somber occasion.

As to the references to popular culture. I think that came out of Bill Bell's training. If you will watch old sitcoms even or old primetime dramas there were hardly ever any references to popular culture. Even for the most part the older soaps did not do that. Agnes Nixon I think was the first to really use references to popular culture more often on her shows as finally acknowledging the Vietnam War.

I remember hearing a writer talk one time on the old Mike Douglas Show where he talked about one of the things that they were taught was to keep the writing timeless and not to make references to things that if a person somewehre down the line happens to tune in will still get.

I have often thought about that statement. Recently my kids and I were watching a marathon of my Golden Girls DVD's and often that show referred to popular culture. There were many times I would be rolling as I understood the reference but my kids would be sitting there almost dumbstruck as they did not get the joke. I remember Sophia made several references to the movie Ishtar and the jokes were funny because I knew how terrible the film was and the critics reaction to it. They just sat there going what in the world is Ishtar.

So I can understand why Bell possibly kept the show in sort of it's own vacuum.

And that's especially true when you think about how fluid the time lines on soaps need to be. Throwing in topical references leaves a mark in the story that often breaks the illusion that's needed to SORAS a child to a teenager, or to make it seem like more years have passed than a show is on the air. And since soaps depend so much on that history and continuity, is it really worth it to throw in a joke or a pop culture reference that might, years later, have people spending more time figuring out what happened when than they are enjoying the actual stories?

I remember that scene!

In the end, it was kind of important, wasn't it?

Because it was from this low point that Jill went to work at Jabot, right? As I recall, it was BOND who started the Jill-at-Jabot story with Brett Halsley as John.

It was later in the year (closer to the summer) that Deborah Adair took over the role. My memory (could be false) was that Adair's first scene was at the hospital, with Snapper, in the waiting room or lobby, where she was asking him about sunscreen and PABA...trying to move Jabot into that area.

Jill was really the character who bridged "old" Y&R (Brooks/Foster) and "new" Y&R (Abbotts/Williams). Well, Jill and Nikki. Because Nikki had been introduced (the year before?), as Casey's sister, and she was the vehicle by which Paul was introduced, and Paul was the vehicle by which the Williams clan was introduced.

What year was all of this? 1981?

Bond Gideon's short tenure as Jill was in 1980. Nikki had been introduced two years earlier, when Erika Hope had the role, with Melody Thomas taking over in 1979.

As far as the bridge went, Jill and Katherine were the real bridge characters; Jill was there from the beginning and Katherine came a bit later during the show's first year on the air, and they both carried over to the "new" Y&R in 1982. The rest, like Steve Frame said, were characters who were introduced with ties to the Brooks and Foster clans that Bill Bell was able to expand on to build his new core structure. Nikki was sister to Casey, who worked with Snapper at the hospital, and Snapper's brother Greg was Nikki's first husband. Victor was brought to town by Katherine, which connected him with Jill, and he also was tied directly to Jill when his wife Julia modeled for Jabot. Paul was tied to Nikki, who already had ties to the Fosters, plus he had a tie of his own because Chris Brooks Foster was April Stevens' neighbor and befriended single mother April. Paul's family was introduced during the cult story and his brother Steve was later engaged to Peggy Brooks. John and Jack Abbott came on when Jill got her job at Jabot. So by the time Bill Bell thought he had to write most of the Brooks and Fosters off, he had a pool of characters he could build on to put them in place of his former core characters.