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I haven't heard anything definitive but it is quite clear Jack/Carmen does not fall into Pratt's long term fans. They were just used as a plot point to further the main story, Adam and Erica. Which is fine.

I suspect however Carmen is most likely on her way out, and unfortunately I see the same fate soon too for Walt Willey. I know we have thought many times over the last 3 or 4 years that Walt's status with AMC is in danger.

Pratt I don't think wants to revisit Jerica and

..... where is Jack's place on this show?

It will be sad to see another veteran dumped, but we are talking the survival of this show here. If that means losing Walt Willey, I am sad to say so be it. His departure wouldn't erode ratings. I mean the Jerica fanbase is always front and centre on this board, but like daytime viewership in general, fanbases have lost their clout......

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ITA. I agree, and not because I'm a jack hater/anti-jerica but I think the writing is on the wall. He has no kids left on this show, pratt seems in love with Adica, pratt seems to have no interest in writing for jack or carmen unless in direct relation to erica to heat up Adica. I guess you can say he could be involved in binks storyline, but honestly he won't be on that much because the main focus will be on binks,kendall, zach there will be little room for him. The main reason I haven't liked jack is because the character can't stand on his own, he's always riding erica coattails and it brings her character down.imo Susan deserves to be with a quality character/actor and that is with David canary or vincent irizarry. An with certain spoilers turning towards aidan/annie now, that will leave david wide open to probably be apart of erica/adam/kwak/tad circle. Although I thought and still think that david will most likely be paired or be involved with annie, since he is sort of stalking her. :lol:

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What bone is there to throw? If they brought brooke back that would be a good pairing for WW. A contract means nothing to abc, if you aren't needed or wanted its bye bye. I don't think WW is leaving anytime soon, but I think he should worry about his job after RB leaves.

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Which is it... Beall's a precious and funny dialog writer when that's all she ever uses, but Cohen's not -- Cohen, who has written much deeper dialog than Beall ever has?

Elisabeth Hasslebeck much, Steve?

As far as I'm concerned, if you're missing Beall, Y&R could use the ratings boost... Don't let the door hit you where "Kendall the bad bitch witch (oh, so preciously written by Beall)" shoulda kicked you.

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I dont know. Jack has lasted this long. With the exception of his brief relationship with Laurel, he has always revolved around Erica, even while she's moved on and had her own storylines away from him. In fact, Jack is nothing without Erica to define him. Its always been that way

She's never at least watched tv? Thats just common sense really and its something you dont do
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Considering how often that's been disproven, who is the real Hasselbeck in this situation? :P

As far as I'm concerned, you should be the one switch over to Y&R so have something to gripe incessantly about while the rest of us talk about each day's episode of AMC.

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Opal was WONDERFUL--I'm so gladd Pratt's taken a shine to her and I think Jill's having a grand time playing her regularly again.

Y'know... I kinda got Ryan and Greenlee today albeit ONLY kinda--but for the first time. At least Pratt, though I dunno why he's still pushing this story, is bringing it out of character, and histroy--not amnesia and a gunshot to the head and other plot devices that make no sense.

Zach's motives made more sense--he .likes to control the world (I think, largely, it makes sense Pratt is emphasising this tho turning him into Sonny always has me worried) anyway and it often comes from a personal sense of something he felt or lost as a kid when he didn't have that control. He really should be the one seeign a shrink but of course he never would.

However he got that place for Annie, and then basically kicked her out so Kendall, who just showed up randomly, could have sex with him? LOL

I'm not a kid but yeah narc is still pretty much a common word among people my age anyway...It didn't stand out for me

"I loved the Erica/Carmen scenes. I don't think Carmen has ever had a close female friend besides Randi so of course she doesn't know the etiquette that you don't date a friend's ex. I actually thought both women expressed their point of view very well until Carmen turned physical. I'm also glad their friendship is over because it always felt forced to me."

I agree 100%. I love both characters, but I thought what was so strong was you could listen to the argument and kinda see BOTH ladies' sides. Exactly, Carmen doesn't know the etiquette--and she did ask Erica OVER and OVER. Jack and really Erica herself are as much to blame--and there's truth to it that Erica DID at one point push for it because she thought it would send Jack right back to her. But Erica was largely dead on too and it was classic Erica besides (was the ugly dress Carmen was wearing and Erica ripped the one Erica bought for her? I think so--which I found fitting). The argument did kinda come from nowhere partly because it feels like Pratt wants everyone to be in a state of flux and fighting for the tornado but... it also was a long time coming and I don't mind.

I do think it's a shame if we lose Carmen--if only to have a fun character part on the show--something that's lacking with new roles especially for women.

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That's easy enough to say, but having worked a lot with teenagers as a counsellor you really live out the role models you grew up with unless you are consciously aware of it--and not at all from tv for it to really sink in. I don't think Carmen is aware or savvy about some of these things we just tkake for granted.

Jack's survived and I don't think Pratt is dumb to think what AMC needs right now is firing a fairly popular actor who's been on for ages--there was a big chunk in the 90s where he didn't do much and I remember Walt bemoaning in interviews how he thought it was cuz he had gained some weight--and how he had been working out again and was ready to do some leading man stuff lol

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God I thought that was so irritating. And Mommy Kendall got to soothe away his own Mommy issues after he got Annie over there and kicked her out. Zach meddles, poor thing, but he did for Annie's own good because his mommy left him as a young 'un (yet Kendall is a meddling shrew...which she has been of late then so has he). I understand they're trying to establish motivation for Zach, but I am just not liking ThuggyZach. Threatening to disappear people left and right these days. ugh.

Opal was pitch perfect for her role as psychic weather girl, imo.

Adam between Carmen and Erica was fun.

Ryan was an ass today. Annie lost her custody over a gun around Emma, yet Ryan never puts away Aiden's when Emma arrives. And he doesn't get to decide visitation a judge would do that. Oh, wait, I forget rules are different for Ryan. Rebecca's still driving some empathy for Greenlee for me. Cam had done that some recently for me as Ryan, but not since the custody battle. Seemed like same old Ryan to me (though less grabby).

Though I am complaining about the leading men I did enjoy the episode overall.

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God I thought that was so irritating. And Mommy Kendall got to soothe away his own Mommy issues after he got Annie over there and kicked her out. Zach meddles, poor thing, but he did for Annie's own good because his mommy left him as a young 'un (yet Kendall is a meddling shrew...which she has been of late then so has he). I understand they're trying to establish motivation for Zach, but I am just not liking ThuggyZach. Threatening to disappear people left and right these days. ugh.

Opal was pitch perfect for her role as psychic weather girl, imo.

Adam between Carmen and Erica was fun.

Ryan was an ass today. Annie lost her custody over a gun around Emma, yet Ryan never puts away Aiden's when Emma arrives. And he doesn't get to decide visitation a judge would do that. Oh, wait, I forget rules are different for Ryan. Rebecca's still driving some empathy for Greenlee for me. Cam had done that some recently for me as Ryan, but not since the custody battle. Seemed like same old Ryan to me (though less grabby).

Though I am complaining about the leading men I did enjoy the episode overall.

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Yeah I get this--While I liek they're building back up his motivation--something he was lacking for the past, well few years even (again this story of him being distant and frustrated with Kendall started under the past writers but Pratt has at least focused it) I agree I'm not too keen on this direction... One reason is I don't think AMC needs these larger than life "I'm above the law" characters--something AMC has had too much of recently and for me isn't keeping in character with classic AMC--for a hero, even a tortured hero to ALWAYS be acting outside the law might work on DAYS or GH but...

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I'm torn with the Carmen/Erica situation. I really loved how Erica was able to give this girl a second chance. Carmen was hilarious as Adam's new maid. That was the perfect role for her - to be Adam's new maid and Erica's friend. But the Jack pairing totally ruined this friendship and I felt like yesterday was a slap in the face to the months of history made between Carmen/Erica. It felt like AMC was just slapping Carmen in the face and kicking her the F out of Pine Valley. As if they just threw her entire story - her entire learning experience - her entire growth in maturity - all down the drain.

Anyway - ready for the tornado!

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One things one is alone. and suddenly the room is full of voices, or faces, or both, from “Another World”. Another moment, this one from “Days of our Lives.” It takes, as the whole addiction does, some bearing with Mickey Horton we know —though he does not —is infertile. Tom Horton , Mickey’s brother, returned several years ago from Korea, face changed, memory gone. His memory came back. About three years ago, Bill Horton, another brother, made pregnant Mickey’s wife, Laura, a psychiatrist. Tom Horton, before he went to Korea, had a ghastly wife, extremely ghastly. When his memory returned, she returned also. Dr. Horton, the father of Tom, Mickey and Bill knows—as Bill found out by accident, as Laura knows, as we have always known—that Laura’s offspring cannot be her husband Mickey’s. Mickey does not know. Last year, there occurred the following episode: Tom’s ghastly wife was at the senior Hortons’, trying to be nice. The senior Hortons of “Days of our Lives,” like the senior Randolphs and Matthewses of “Another World,” or the Tates of “Search for Tomorrow,” are technically known by soap writers as “tentpole characters.” on which the tragedies are raised. Anyway, as she set the table for dinner that evening at the senior Hortons’, Tom’s ghastly wife was singing. The elder Mrs. Horton said that she had a lovely voice, that she ought to make a professional thing of it. The ghastly wife went directly to Dr. Horton’s study and made a tape recording of her singing voice in song. Later that evening, Dr. Horton had a chat with his daughter-in-law Laura about her child, her husband’s infertility, and her brother-in-law’s fatherhood. The tape recorder was still on. Tom’s ghastly wife, trying later to recapture her own singing voice on tape, heard all the rest. It was unbearable. Months of blackmail, we all knew. It might have been a lifelong downer. I turned off for several years. The present moment—since July, I mean—as far as I can tell, is this. The tape incident seems nearly over. Mickey Horton, however, was believed by everyone. including himself, to have made pregnant a girl other than his wife. Even I knew this was impossible, unless Mickey’s medical tests had been in error—in which case he might be the father of Laura’s baby after all—or unless the writers, and Laura and her father-in-law, had forgotten the whole thing. When Mickey’s girl’s baby was born, it did turn out through blood tests, that the baby could not have been Mickey’s. Of course not. Anybody who had watched even five days two years ago knew that. Meanwhile, a friend of the Horton family, Susan, who had a terrible life, has been raped in the park, and is being treated by Laura, the psychiatrist. Well. One thing about a work of art is that it ends. One may wish to know what happens after the last page of “Pride and Prejudice.” Some writers give signs of wishing the reader to abide with a given novel; one of the century’s great prose works, after all, ends in such a way that the reader is obliged to begin again. But narrative time in art is closed. The soaps, although they have their own formal limitations (how many times, for example, a major character is required by contract to appear each week on-screen) are eternal and free. One can have a heart attack during a performance of “King Lear” or fall in love listening to “Mozart” but the quotidian, running-right-along-side-life quality of soaps means that whole audiences can grow up, marry, breed, divorce, leave a mark on history, and die while a single program is still on the air. Aristotle would not have cared for it. The soaps can, and sometimes do, adopt the conventional thriller form, which has a different sort of dialect altogether: the solvers, the classicists who demand a beginning, a middle and an end. There was a superb many-month conventional kidnapping episode on “The Doctors,” once, when a trustee of the hospital abducted a nurse, under enthralling circumstances, and the only one who gradually caught on was the nurse’s roommate, Carolee Simpson, a character who, like “Another World”s Lahoma was meant to stay jut briefly but has ever been so good that she is essential to the plot—particularly in the recent matter of Dr. Allison. There was also a young lady physical therapist who thought herself widowed in the Six Day War (her husband had been a correspondent in the Middle East) and who fell in love with the son of the chief of all the doctors. The son was in love with her. Then it turned out that an Israeli girl had been nursing a blind American. He was rude to her for ages. She was kind to him. He turned out, after months, to be the lady therapist’s thought-dead husband, and things were resolved. Such episodes do occur. But they are rare. They are too self-contained. Now the wife of the chief of all the doctors, having been kidnapped and returned some months ago, thinks she is going mad. Her paternal uncle was a schizophrenic in his time. There does not seem to be a single sense in which soap operas can be construed as an escapist form. There is unhappiness enough and time to occupy a real lifetime of afternoons. There is no release: not the scream, shudder, and return to real life that some people get from horror films; not the anxiety, violence, and satisfactory conclusion of detective, spy, or cowboy shows; certainly not the laughing chapters of fantasy home, like “Lucy,” “Bachelor Father,” or the “Mothers-in-law,” There is no escape except, either, from political realities. The allegations that the soaps avoid the topical are simply in error: Vietnam, psychosis, poverty, class, and generational problems—all are there. One thing that soap operas do not do is flinch. They simply bring things home, not as issues but as part of the manic-depressive cycle of the television set. And what they bring home is the most steady, open-ended sadness to be found outside life itself. No one can look forward to a soap unless he looks forward to the day, in which case he is not likely to be a watcher of soaps at all. Watchers resign themselves. There are seventeen soaps on television now [1972], some obviously less good than others ( a soap that fails is not simply dropped from the air; it is, for the audience’s sake, quickly wrapped up: The hero, for example is run over by a truck), and in their uncompromisingly funereal misery there is obviously some sort of key. Most sentimental or suspense forms —dog, horse, or spy stories, for instance—have a plotted curve. Things are briefly fine, then they’re down for a long time, then they rise for a brief finale. There is some reward. The soap line goes along almost straight, though inextricably tangled, down. The soaps are probably more true to the life of their own audience than they appear to be; certainly they are truer in pace, in content, and in subjects of concern than any other kind of television is. Not that there is much amnesia or that much insanity out here. Not that each woman’s secret fear, or hope, is that she is bearing the child of inappropriate member of her family. But the despair, the treachery, the being trapped in a community with people whom one hates and who mean one ill, the secrets one cannot expose—except once or twice — in the course of years when changes and revelations occur in sudden jumps: These must be the days of a lot of lives. This is not the evening’s entertainment, which one watches, presumably, with members of the family; not the shared family situation comedies, which (with the important exception of “All in the Family”) are comfortable distortions of what family life is like. Soap operas are watched in solitude. This is the daytime world of the Randolphs, the Matthewses, the Hortons, the Tates —a daily one-way encounter group, a mirror, an eavesdropping or the apparent depression of being just folks for more than twenty years. It is even entering the commercials now—the utter joylessness. There are still the cheery, inane commercials with white tornadoes and whiter wash. But there are beginning to be hopeless underdogs; unpretty, sarcastic Madge, who, as a manicurist, deals with actors who look as though they knew about life in cold-water flats. the emphasis on cold-water products. The view of life as a bitter, sad, dangerous ordeal, with a few seconds reprieve before the next long jolt to decent souls, cannot be confined to one side of the screen. Not on seventeen daytime serials. When, for millions, a credible villain is a suicide, dead, and well out of it. And, a hero is a man compelled to live his drama out, the daylight view of what life is like is far less sunny on television, anyway, than the view by night.
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