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I'm sorry, did I click on an AMC thread from 2004 by accident?

Hell, I thought they were talking about OLTL's Jared "pushing" Nash through a skylight...

I'm sorry, did I click on an AMC thread from 2004 by accident?

lol..this thread doesnt have the year at the end of the date so it could be any one

I wish Ryan & Annie would get their acts together. I'm on EMMA's side until they both STOP using her as a tool to hurt one another

If you were that concerned about Emma - you would want her far away from Kendall as possible right now. That bitch can't even give 1 thought a day about her own kids, let alone deal with Emma.

Oh but I forgot - Kendall is superwoman who does NO wrong. Oh wait - even if it is wrong - its JUSTIFIABLE. Which makes it all better of course. GMAFB!

LMAO you're seriously comparing these two events? That's apples and oranges. JR didn't push Bianca deliberately, she went to take "Bess" out of his arms and he moved away and that's when she fell over the balcony

I seem to remember him pushing her off of him as he grabbed Bess..... and then she fell through the railing to the ground. He caused the fall LOL. But that's 2004.

JUSTIFIABLY nasty-Kendall is 110% right about Annie-I forgot that's overlooked with SaintAnnie

If you ask me aside from killing someone, and not someone who was a saint, he was a sick saddastic criminal, Annie and Kendall are about on par with the crazy a** sh*t they've pulled.... Both manipulated situations to get what they want, both using children in the process. Both all in the name of Ryan Lavery. What affect he has on these women.

So Kendall need to sit the hell down and start worrying about her marriage to Zach, and not about the drama surrounding Annie and Ryan Lavery. .

He clearly pushed her which made her fall. Doesn't matter if it was an accident, he still did it.

Nope he didn't but if you want to believe it go right ahead.

Did you watch the clip? Did that really look like she slipped and fell. JR pushed her. It was delibarate it did happen. I think in the moment he was just trying to get her away and didnt take the balcony into consideration as she wasnt even that close to the edge, but she didnt just simply slip and fall

I watched it when it happened. And I have seen the video before more than once. He didn't shove her and he didn't grab her arm and pushed her down. He was inside. If you want to believe that he pushed her that's up to you.

Nope he didn't but if you want to believe it go right ahead.

Whatever.

JUSTIFIABLY nasty-Kendall is 110% right about Annie-I forgot that's overlooked with SaintAnnie

Justifiably nasty? This may come as a huge shock but... THIS IS NONE OF KENDALL'S BUSINESS! How in the hottest of HELL is this psychoshrew justified in any of this?

If you ask me aside from killing someone, and not someone who was a saint, he was a sick saddastic criminal, Annie and Kendall are about on par with the crazy a** sh*t they've pulled.... Both manipulated situations to get what they want, both using children in the process. Both all in the name of Ryan Lavery. What affect he has on these women.

IMO that little detail of murder makes a TON of difference when comparing the characters. Sure Richie was a sick criminal, but that is not why Annie killed him. She murdered him because she was afraid he would blab about her baby scheme to Ryan. Heck she tried to use his sadistic nature to her advantage by telling him to kill Greenlee, then getting upset with him when he didn't. Not to mention Annie causing the gas leak in Greenlee's apartment (which could have resulted in Greenlee and Aidan's deaths) and last but not least going to Greenlee's apartment with every intention of killing her. Kendall isn't perfect and she's certainly being a meddling pain in the ass right now but for the life of me I just don't see the comparison. I don't expect perfection in characters but cold blooded murder just crosses a line for me especially when it doesn't stop there and the list of sins just keep coming. IMO Annie's sins have definately exceeded the defense of well so and so has done just as bad or worse.

As for today's show. Poor Emma. What kind of mother stands by and watches her child be scared to death of social services, all the while knowing she can fix it by admitting the truth about the restraining order? At least Ryan has some valid concerns regarding Emma's safety. Annie would rather keep her secret and "best" Ryan than tell the truth and help Emma. I was glad to see Adam let her have it. I hate to side with Ryan on anything but he clearly is a smarter choice here to care for Emma.

JR really needs to STFU when talking to Adam.

Justifiably nasty? This may come as a huge shock but... THIS IS NONE OF KENDALL'S BUSINESS! How in the hottest of HELL is this psychoshrew justified in any of this?

Oh, R.......how could I have ever feuded with you?

Do you have the screen cap of the cards?

This is all we saw. The table full of cards and a close-up of "The Tower" card.

Maybe it was The Tower.

It was

Balcony, window, not much of a difference. And I'm sure Luke didn't mean to rape Laura, but he did still do it.

JR didnt mean to push Bianca over the ledge. I do think he pushed her, but i dont think his intent was to toss her over the ledge. Now, that doesnt change the fact that it did happen, but it does make a diff. IMHO.

JUSTIFIABLY nasty-Kendall is 110% right about Annie-I forgot that's overlooked with SaintAnnie

You know, i actually do agree 110% with kendull. She is right. However, Annie is painted as a saint. She isnt one, she doesnt act like one. But kendull? tahts another story. Girl is far from the polaroid of perfection yet she stands high up on her pedestal and throws stones down at others. I think that, along with the fact that she is byf ar the most overexposed and overused char on soaps (yes above even that of Sonny on GH and Gloria on YR) has made a lot of people turn on her and root for annie.

The fact that MCE is uber fantastic also helps Annie. Not saying Lish isnt a great actress, because i do think she is actually, however MCE & Annie offer up soemthing diff.

Poor Emma, stuck living with the bitch who rails against her mother every chance she gets. I just hope Kendall can keep her damn mouth shut while Emma's staying there.

Ryan can't forgive Annie for her lies but he forgave both Greenlee & Kendall for everything they've done?

At least Annie was concerned for Emma's feelings about being taken into custody again. Ryan didn't seem to think about Emma at all.

I really liked the scenes with Taylor, Jake & Amanda.

I loved the ending with Annie stuck in the tunnels.

I watched the 2004 clip and to me it looked like it always did: JR did not throw or push Bianca off the balcony; he gave her a little shove and she tripped backwards and went over.

I think Petey just got the tower...with the lightening strike, get it?

I'll just bet that they/Babe got the death card (hanged man).

Love Opal and her tarot deck!!!!

The Hanged Man is awful, but not terrible. Death can be a good card, too. I think it's The Tower. 

It was

Oh, I didn't see this so I replied a little early. But, hey, I was right.

I think this is the Rider-Waite tarot deck.

Thanks, RoseVioletDaisy!