Toupsy where are the ratings?

David's return and Tina's return are two completely different animals. All of the people that you listed David as interacting with are all parts of the storyline that he's back for. They've been setting up for revealing him as the Buchanan heir since the day he returned.

Tina, on the other hand, is involved in a storyline where, A, she hasn't been in Llanview in years, B, she has some secrets that she's trying to keep, and C, she's only now realizing how important it is for her to get in the loop about her family. Given that Tina is in hiding, it would make no sense for her to be having scenes with other characters now. She chose to reveal herself to her daughter, and with the police looking for her, I don't blame her for wanting to lay low right now. The storyline wouldn't work if everybody knew she was back in town within a week of her being back in town.

And word to everything Vee said.

You're right in that Tina hasn't been in Llanview in years, and that she has secrets she's trying to keep, which and in the interest of telling a coherent story requires her to lie low to hide from the police. But all those facts are exactly the reasons Tina would turn to her no-nonsense, nonjudgmental, cop-hating, wealthy brother Todd for concealment & protection... not the daughter she hasn't seen in years and years. Tina was the first person to accept Todd as family, and because she's been gone so long she hasn't had the dramatic ups and downs with him that Viki has. If Tina isn't revealing herself to other characters, it's because the writers have chosen to develop the story this way, and they could have chosen to have the character reveal herself to only Viki, only Todd, only Dorian, only David, or only Blair. But theyd didn't. They chose to write her into the Sara & Cris and Antonio & Talia story, the 2 least interesting couples on the canvas. For that, they should have just hired an unknown actress to play Tina,

one who they could pay less and who would stay on the show longer than Andrea Evans is going to.

The long-term possibilities would be so much greater if they had.

As it is, Andrea Evans & Tina will only be back for 2 or 3 months, and they're wasting her on propping up a dumb storyline with the 2 least popular couples on the show.

And I hate to break it to you, but this storyline already isn't working.

As for helping her family, if that's a motive for Tina to reveal herself to Sara, why not reach out to Jessica now that she (Tina) knows that Jessica's husband just died--and in a way so awful that Sara doesn't even want to talk about? Or to Viki, who's just lost a son-in-law? Viki was clearly upset the day Tina was lurking outside Llanfair... is Viki not part of the family worth looping into?

Based on the laws of statistics (and random sampling) though, they should be pretty accurate. Also, they change the sample every year (moving Nielsen boxes from one household to another), yet there isn't really a drastic shift in the rankings of shows when this happens. If they weren't very accurate, I would expect a bigger shift every year when the sample changes.

They are very well done. The have a huge N, much of it is done electronically now, they randomly sample DVRs, it's not difficult to generate a sampling frame because almost every household has at least one television. Ratings can not capture the intensity of fan reaction, but the rating system is very very good at capturing numbers, and that is what ratings are supposed to do.

Sure there will be improvement with technology. Technology already has improved the system, and as far as daytime, it has recognized that the genre has fewer viewers than previously thought. I agree with MarkH (also love his tables) that if there are any shortcomings it is in large group quarters. Dorms, nursing homes or assisted care facilities, prisons, ect are sampled but probably not well. I work on a college campus and don't think a huge number of people attending university congregate in front of their daily drama as they once did, but that just may be this campus.

I think the genre is dying. I also believe that Marcellina is correct. Soaps need to change and until the die and are re-generated in a new form, hardcore viewers will not allow that to happen.

Edited June 20, 200817 yr by Jess

LOL I'll post the ratings sometime on Friday afternoon. I'm too tired to do them now. But if someone spoils another OLTL spoiler, I might be tired until Saturday? Hmm...maybe that's something I should do in the future. For every spoiler that's posted and doesn' thave spoiler tags, I will hold the ratings for an extra day. Hmm........

How rude!

You're right in that Tina hasn't been in Llanview in years, and that she has secrets she's trying to keep, which and in the interest of telling a coherent story requires her to lie low to hide from the police. But all those facts are exactly the reasons Tina would turn to her no-nonsense, nonjudgmental, cop-hating, wealthy brother Todd for concealment & protection... not the daughter she hasn't seen in years and years.

But, considering that Tina is on the run, she really didn't have any intentions of seeking anyone for help. She only revealed herself to Sarah because Sarah happened to have been at Llanfair while Tina was lurking in the shadows. If Tina hadn't been affected by her daughter's presence at Llanfair, I highly doubt she would have sought out Sarah for a reunion. She's only having warm moments with her now because of all the things Cristian and Sarah have told her in regards to her being away for so long. Her conscience is at work.

If Tina isn't revealing herself to other characters, it's because the writers have chosen to develop the story this way, and they could have chosen to have the character reveal herself to only Viki, only Todd, only Dorian, only David, or only Blair. But theyd didn't. They chose to write her into the Sara & Cris and Antonio & Talia story, the 2 least interesting couples on the canvas.

Tina's only been in, what, six or seven episodes since she's come back, right? I think that's barely enough time to immediately peg what she's going to do, who she's going to do it with, the character's purpose in Llanview for the next two months. It's ridiculous to think that she's going to spend the entire two months with just Cristian, Sarah, Talia, and Tonio. With another writer, it wouldn't be so far-fetched, but with RC, it's a given that Tina will share scenes with her sister and brother and other important connections. Ron's respected character ties too much over the last couple of months to botch that up.

For that, they should have just hired an unknown actress to play Tina, one who they could pay less and who would stay on the show longer than Andrea Evans is going to. The long-term possibilities would be so much greater if they had. As it is, Andrea Evans & Tina will only be back for 2 or 3 months, and they're wasting her on propping up a dumb storyline with the 2 least popular couples on the show.

It's an unwritten rule that if the most popular and longest-running performer of a role wants to return in said role, they should be allowed to do so if there's room on the canvas. With a long-lasting character like Tina, one who has made a big impact on the show, you can't just have interchangeable actresses playing the part. Andrea Evans hasn't played the character in 18 years, but she probably knows her more than anybody else. And I doubt people would have been satisfied with a new actress as Tina in this storyline. If people dislike it with AE in it, they'll dislike it even more if it's some random actress.

And I hate to break it to you, but this storyline already isn't working.

That's completely, totally, 100% subjective.

As for helping her family, if that's a motive for Tina to reveal herself to Sara, why not reach out to Jessica now that she (Tina) knows that Jessica's husband just died--and in a way so awful that Sara doesn't even want to talk about? Or to Viki, who's just lost a son-in-law? Viki was clearly upset the day Tina was lurking outside Llanfair... is Viki not part of the family worth looping into?

So, you're saying that it would be in character for Tina Lord to see that her family is hurting, stop thinking about herself, become completely selfless, and risk going to jail among other things? Spending time with Sarah is softening her a bit right now, but I wouldn't expect an overnight transformation.

Two months might seem short, but I think that it'll be enough time to sufficiently continue the character.

Boo to spoilers!! Because Toups was so spoiled I went and got spoiled myself! That spoiler is awesome! I LOOOVE it!

I also applaud the way Carlivati is involving the entire canvas in a SL. I don't see this SL as propping Antoino and Talia but rather making it a canvas-wide story. I was just starting to wonder if the show would fade Talia and Antonio to the back but they haven't. For now IMO, Tina can do what she is doing this storyline is just beginning and it is interesting to watch imo.

Look at those awful numbers for ATWT a 1.7??? And Y&R with 3.3's???

Edited June 20, 200817 yr by Soapsuds

WTF happened on Thursday?! AMC, GH, and OLTL all went down like 300,000 viewers. There has to be an explanation for that they couldn't have all been that crappy on the same day. Did someone die or something that interrupted the news?

I have a feeling viewers turned in to see Tiger Woods instead of soaps. The 1.7 for ATWT is so unacceptable. When is something going to be done at ATWT?? Last week was full of Janet and Liberty..and the stupid pairing of Holden and Carly. No one wants to see them Goutman!!!

I am not surprised by Y&R's 3.3s. It's just a matter of time before Y&R hits 3.0. It's completely boring now. There's nothing to be happy about. Nothing to make us tune in (even though I still do). I'm depressed about this. Hogan, where are you?

I am not surprised by Y&R's 3.3s. It's just a matter of time before Y&R hits 3.0. It's completely boring now. There's nothing to be happy about. Nothing to make us tune in (even though I still do). I'm depressed about this. Hogan, where are you?

Imagine in what crisis Y&R is if people expect Hogan to save it! The man who previously destroyed the other two shows he worked on!

I am not surprised by Y&R's 3.3s. It's just a matter of time before Y&R hits 3.0. It's completely boring now. There's nothing to be happy about. Nothing to make us tune in (even though I still do). I'm depressed about this. Hogan, where are you?

I saw today's show and found it dull and boring.

Imagine in what crisis Y&R is if people expect Hogan to save it! The man who previously destroyed the other two shows he worked on!

He didnt destroy ATWT. It was good until he ran out of steam. And he was just getting his groove on at Days before he was fired.

And JP said it before I think, once a soap reaches these lows (Y&R from recent 4's to these 3's), it will never recover. Well, not really never, but seeing what's being done to improve it, never seems like a realistic option.

Josh Griffith should be fired. I really do believe he's the next one to be fired at Y&R.

Hell, everyone at CBS needs to be fired, Barbara Bloom doesn't get half the criticism that other network execs get. Ever since she came to CBS Daytime, things have been going downhill at a rapid pace.

He didnt destroy ATWT. It was good until he ran out of steam. And he was just getting his groove on at Days before he was fired.

Please, spare us, you were the no. 1 Hogan anti-fan until this very post. Why the sudden change? He lost 1 million of DOOL viewers.