Jump to content

Y&R: Fire Maria Arena Bell and Josh Griffith!!!


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 159
  • Created
  • Last Reply
  • Members

A person knows what's best, I guess. I couldn't handle almost anything Latham wrote and that's why 2007 didn't include Y&R on my soaps list. But this time around, I'm not ready to give up on the show again. Mostly because if I quit Y&R, I'll be off daytime for good. It's the last remaining link.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

This is all so very strange to me... As if there was some kind of race who's watching more soaps and who will in the end persevere for the longest amount of time or something like that...

I honestly don't know if I can think of any other reason. Maybe people also like terrible writing, I don't know... :mellow: I bet a whole lot of other people hate the show too or find it nothing special and very lethargic, but somehow they fear the negativity and just keep repressing these feelings and telling themselves "It will get better."

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Yes, as a fan, I hoped it would get better after Lynnie was thrown out, but it has been freakin' 8 months. And it still ain't getting better (just take a look at the fall previews). I will hold on for a little more time, but not for long. I'm enjoying primetime, and I'd actually like to watch the same sitcom for 6 times than watch any soap. Y&R is the only thing that's still holding me on daytime. And I'm wondering how many people out there are doing the same thing (for Y&R or any other soap).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Oh, I expect massive exodus from daytime once the primetime season kicks in. :lol:

Also, for example, I don't understand MarkH's attitude — and this is not the only one I don't get :lol: — that he will stay with his soaps, no matter how awful they will be, until the (bitter) end. :mellow: Why?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I actually just took Y&R off of my DVR list. OLTL my other show is just as bad right now, although there is at least some humor and Andrea Evans. Otherwise it is pretty unbearable.

I get my fix right now watching Youtube- old Y&R, OLTL, and even some AW which I never watched before.

These shows have forgotten 2 things- suspense and making you want to TUNE IN TOMORROW.

The storylines are as dull as dishwater.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Actually, I don't think Y&R is that bad right now. I'm enjoying most of the stories, and for the most part it is entertaining to me, so I plan on sticking with it for now.

However, I think the show could be much better with a more competent EP.

As far as MAB and HS go, I think they're trying. Some of the stories are working, others aren't. They have to realize when a story isn't working and either A) fix it or B) wrap it up. At least they have gotten back to writing characters in character (for the most part) and the bones are there for this to be a great soap. An EP change is really what this show needs. JMHO.

And really, it could be worse. LML could still be running the show.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Ah, invoking my name, eh?

Well, that's not totally accurate. There was a time when I watched, every day, AMC, OLTL, GH & Y&R. I also closely monitored SB. Then, there was a year or two when I was devout AW and Y&R, with an eye kept on AMC and GH. Since 1987, I have pretty much only regularly watched Y&R and B&B (with a few years off when I lived overseas).

Now, the only show I watch 5 days a week is Y&R. I'd say I watch B&B (correction, FF for the most part) 3 days a week...maybe just 2. And I usually regret those two.

Translation: I have drifted away from a lot of shows over the years. The only common denominator in each of those lists is Y&R.

Y&R I stick with for reasons that have somewhat to do with the show, but mostly to do with the role that the show has played in my life. I have lived many places since the late 80s, and Y&R has followed me everywhere. Even when I lived overseas, I used Usenet (pre-WWW) and 6-week-delayed-ship-rate SODs to keep up.

Y&R has the familiar faces and places that have been a throughline of continuity in my life, even when my actual life has had all kinds of new vistas and adventures. In that sense, Y&R has represented a kind of "home" for me. In addition, Y&R had (and has) intergenerational ties for me. My late grandmothers watched it, and it was something we could discussed. My parents used to watch it (they are off it now) and my aunts and uncles and cousins still watch it. So, when I get back to Canada, it is the thing we can always use as a conversation starter.

All the way through high school, I'd often get home at 4 or 4:30 (even when I stayed late with the debate club or to edit the school newsletter or whatever nerdy thing I was doing back then), and in Canada, that was precisely when Y&R would come on. Dad would get home from work at about 3:30. We'd go into the family room, and the dog would come too. Upstairs, mom would be watching...but on ironing days she'd be in the family room with us, watching too. Many a dinner--which usually was at 5:30 pm, minutes after Y&R was over--started with a conversation about the show.

In other words, Y&R is in the fabric of my life. I scarcely have an elementary school or junior high or high school or graduate school or postdoc or junior faculty memory without Y&R in it. When I was going through major milestones in my personal life, I often also remember what was happening on Y&R at the time.

That is very hard to quit.

When Y&R goes bad, it affronts me personally, because it is a member of the family. But, like any member of the family, I can't just abandon it. I rail to save it :-). I rally for it.

When Y&R finally goes dark--and it will--I cannot imagine what the underlying through thread of my life will be then. I know that sounds pathetic...but that is how deeply it is ingrained in my personal narrative. (I even modeled my prom Tails, way back in the early 80s, after the white Tails that Eric Garrison wore to romance Ashley Abbott on the roof of Jabot. Again, I know that is pathetic...but there you have it. When Paul and Danny and Andy all started tucking their shirt collars INSIDE their sweaters...I soon followed suit :) ).

I think Y&R earns this special loyalty because it still, for the most part, is recognizable. I have never felt that same allegiance to AMC or OLTL or whatever...in part because it wasn't so ideally situated in my life...but in part because there is very little that harkens back to my experience with the show.

Marceline has talked about nostalgia as the ruination of the soaps. I suspect she is right. But for me, nostalgia is also the glue that binds me occlusively to my show.

Ah, but today Nelson is reporting that MAB and Hogan Sheffer are ALREADY feuding.

Really?

This show is doomed...and I'm starting to worry that MAB is a cancer...because she's butting heads with several folks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

This worries me. I'm sticking with the show, but I'm already tired of all the freakin' changes. None for the better.

And I'm worried that MAB will end up victorious because her husband wouldn't remove her for Sheffer. Ugh.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

^^ Greg's GL summed up my feelings perfectly, too.

Better than LML. There is stuff there that keeps me watching. Other stuff less so.

I'm not at the point when I gave up the show under LML -- Phyllis screeching in jail, Out of our Asses etc.

I will say, Sylph, that there is one thing which keeps me monitoring certain shows sometimes, and that is a board like this.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Does anyone know hard numbers?

Sony owns what %?

Bell owns what %?

Corday owns what %?

Please, somebody must know this.

Also, does Bell have the "managing" agreement (i.e., show running agreement?). If they have a contract to run the show, how much power does it give them?

This all feels like power plays to me. Like Ed Scott was foisted by Sony on Corday, I wonder if Hogan Sheffer was foisted by Sony on Bell. I really need to know! :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

But Maria Arena Bell HAS ALWAYS been a cancer. What logic is there to hire your wife, who has no Head Writing experience and hasn't written for soaps in 20 years? There is none! This show is being run into the ground by ego-driven incompetent amateurs!

There's several cancers at this show, and they are: Bill Bell Jr., Barbara Bloom, Steven Kent, Maria Arena Bell, and of course Josh Griffith.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.



  • Recent Posts

    • The show did a good job of having today feel like a funeral atmospherically. I'm happy they're making sure to state that Tate and Arianna consider each other family as the last thing we need is another Alex situation. However, it's very strange she has yet to have a scene with Will. Today is just part one, of course, so hopefully that on-screen reunion is yet to come. I also really want to see Carrie/Will/Arianna with Kate as well and hope Kate gets a little moment of her own regarding John. I forget if I mentioned this before, but real life affecting reel life when it comes to Maggie not being involved is just a crying shame. I'll never get over it. I wasn't bothered by the little hint of intrigue with Cat and Shane. Being spoiler free, I had no idea that little moment was going to happen or what that could be about. Was Shane the one calling her before? (Hypothetically asking, don't spoil me). I hope Steve shutting down BlackPatch sticks. I can't imagine what they will do with him though. Alice Halsey again proving why Rachel was recast. She's just effortless. Bring on seeing Tony again! He had the cut last week, too. Did he hit his head in the scene where he first got sick with the flu or was it a real life instance that they haven't talked about. Glad I'm not crazy thinking I missed something.
    • ADDITIONS   Justine Calvert       Leslie Stevens     April 13, 1984- May 10, 1985 M. Elaine ____Descot     "Grand Mere"                             Lois Kibbee        8/22/1985                      Maureen O'Sullivan      7/8/1985; 7/10/1985 Thomas Collins          Lawrence Weber   9/16 & 20/1985; 11/1/1985  Tourneur Industries Board Member    Lt. ___  Bragg                Viggo Mortensen   10/14/1985 - 12/11/1985 Allison __ Kendall    Linda Cook  1983 Flashback Steve's mother -- likely renamed Estelle Chase Kendall            Kevin Conroy         June 1984 - 7/15/1985                                            Robert A. Wilson       7/30/1985 - 12/11/1985 Gardner "Sailor" Perry            Richard Gates         3/8/1985 - 5/9/1985       Kate____McCleary      Jo Henderson..    1/6/1983 - 9/20/1985 Adair McCleary     Page Hannah     April 17, 1984 - November 1984   (Daryl Hannah's sister)                    Susan Carey Lamm              2/18/1985 - 12/12/1985         Nurse  _____  Peddicord          Robin Tilghman           January 1985   Dr. Bob Rogers               confidante to Jo; father of Emily; close to Grace Boulton (deceased)                                   Carl Low         February 1965-79;   1980-82;  occasional; July 1983 Alberto Rivera             Lloyd Batista.     10/3/1985 - 86          rebel leader from San Marcos; Killed Stephanie Wyatt and Sarah Whiting  Andrew Ryder            Adam Storke          1/10/1985 - 2/28/1986            +T. R.   Son of Anna and Randolph, circus owners Anna____Ryder           BarBara Luna                   5/27/1985 - 9/13/1985           circus    wife, Randolph, mother, Andrew Randolph Ryder              William Andrews            5/27/1985 - 9/13/1985          circus owner; husband, Anna, father Andrew Dr. ___ Sherman      Domini Blythe     6/21/1985    Liza's Doctor Mavis ________Stone                Meg Myles                  10/17/1985-86     mother Evie; killed in flood Sarah Whiting            Michelle Joyner       5/17/1985 - 11/18/1985  (corpse 11/19 & 20/1985)           Granddaughter, Jo; bit of a vixen; murder victim  Harriet ____ Shapiro      Frances Chaney   November 1984 Lew Shapiro       Eugene Troobnick   November  1984 Gail Wolfe     Patricia O'Connell             November  1984      Judge Horace Whitley         Frank Maraden        December  1984 Timothy Wells                  Peter Coleman      November 1984         Tricia Sellers           Jenny Rebecca Dwyer   January  1985  Rosemary Straub               Lynnie Green                January 1985 Dr. ___   Langan      Bernie McInerney               July  1983 Dr.   ___   Morgan    Greg Salata    July 1983 Bill Paley                       John Newton                  December 1984           Herbert Newman      David Cooper   November 1984 -January 1985    lawyer hired by Stephanie to represent Suzi in Justine's shooting   D. A.  Carl Rozner                    Tom Urich                November 1984 -January   1985       Prosecutor, Suzi John Garvey        Tom Batten              December  1984                     lawyer Lloyd Dr. Robert Hand          David Strathairn      December 1984 - January              1985                                                 Doug Kastilahn          January      1985 Dr.    ____    Hellstrum                   David Little             November 1984   Jozie             Elizabeth MacRae          January  1985    bag lady  Rollo "Ribs"  Krebs       Michael Carmine        June 1984 -January 1985       (AKA Hollo in synopses) Officer __ Norton    Mace Sanders        February 1984 Alfie Marlowe    Bernie Passeliner        February 1984 Dickens Jones    J. J. Cole      January 1984 Hawk Hawkins      Edward Seamon   Jan. 1984 Evan Briggs     Gordon Gould    March 1984   ** Sean Bigelowe   Arthur E. Jones     April 1984 Jory Davis     Mike Starr        April 1984                    Robert James Doran     May 1984 Rick Edwards    Scott LaFeber    January 1984 Rose Porter Hunnicutt          Alice Beardsley          1983 - 1984 Stephanie's Maid Nurse  ___   Dunne      Karen Ludwig    February 1984    Dr.   __  Blocker                  Jonathan Farwell     March 1984      doctor, Justine Rhonda Sue Huckaby        Tina Johnson           5/5/1983 - 84    secretary, Stephanie  + Ringo Keith Barron    (John Sylvester White)    .Johnny Sylvester   September1951 - February 1952      Weak son of Victor and Irene Barron; preferred photography to business; married to Jo and father of Patty; killed in car crash 6 months into the series    Patricia Baker       ?????             January 1952    old friend of Keith Barron. Spends time with him while Jo is away.  Christopher Henry                  Paul LaGrega           May 1983 Mayor ____   Bradshaw       Richard Seff     May 1983     Mrs. ___ ___   Hansen                Bobo Lewis         March  1982 Mr. ___ Hinds     Walter Bobbie    May 1 1984 Lorraine Hoffman    Anne Marie Martin     April 1984 Alvin Jones       Tony Alicante    April 1984    Jacob     James Hillbrandt   March 1982 Pete Keogh     Richard Abernathy    January 1984 - April 1984; Pete Johnson in November 1984 Steve Kendall        Phillip Brown     5/5/1983  - ???? Frank LeFrak    Bernard Pollock      January 1984 Sol Lester        Dan Desmond     March 1984 Lindsey Laufer    Rebecca Arthur    May 1984  Larry    Mark Lebowitz    May 1983 Brock Lewis        J. Michael Jaynes  March - June 1982             took Martin's $ Patti McCleary    Kelly Wood 1969 (Temporary Replacement for Leigh Lassen)  Shirley Phelps         Laurie Klatscher Jan 1984 Mandy Plummer              Marice Love January 1984 Dr. _____ Morgan   David Little      February 1984 Helen Michaels      Deborah Allison    March - May 1984     rape victim Baby Nichols    Karl Wallace     March   1984 Agent Keith Morris            Paul Falzone        May   1984  involved with Dr. Ridgefield Ernie O'Toole    James Harder     March - August 1982           friend, Stu, afraid of Ringo A. Keith McNeil      Craig Augustine           1982-83; 9/23/1983 (Jenny's Wedding)      raised Andy, married Wendy  T.R. (Rebecca ) Sentell (Kendall)                    Jane Krakowski      2/7/1984- 9/1/1986; 12/23 & 26/1986 Mickey Randall             Norman Parker            March 1982 Mr. ___ Rankin      John Gibson   March 1952   Victor Barron's employee that takes over Keith Barron's job and office Phil Richter     ?????         January 1952   Louise Barron's   flame Wilbur Peabody (Peterson)          Don Knotts         1953-55   deaf/mute brother of Rose; as an orderly at the hospital brining linens to Keith Barron's he overheard Keith arguing with Irene about a paper that she tricked him into signing  Eddie Rice     Michael Principe       January 1984 Bob Ross     Doug Kastilahn   1985 Mr.  ___ Slavin          Jack Dabdoub       December 1983  - January 1984       contact, Sunny Mrs. __ ___ Wickes   Helen Harrelson     January 1984 Linda Tyson     Tisha Ford     February 1984 Judge ___ Whyland    Edmund Lyndeck    March  1984 Mike Walsh    Joseph Ragno     April 1984 Sterling Underwood    Larry Block     May 1984 Nurse  ___   Taylor                     Pamela Burrell           May  1983 Cord Tourneur            Martin Vidnovic              6/13/1984  - ??/??/1984         cousin, Travis; went crazy Miss ___ Trimble (??)       ?????     March 1952   Victor Barron's secretary Stephanie ____Wilkins Collins Pace Wyatt                                               Maree Cheatham       January 1974 - April 1984                                    Louise Shaffer  4/2/1984 -- Temporary   April 1984 - 86 Airport Announcer     Ellen Tovatt      January 1984 Bailiff       George L. Simms    March 1984 Flea Market Shopper    Mary Louise Wilson          May 1983   Hospital Attendant     Randall Mell      February 1984 Newscaster      Elliot Forrest       March 1983 Principal Shareholder       Jerrome Dempsey      1981 - March 1982 Puppeteer              Murray Horowitz   May 1983 Radio Announcer    Jim Brownold      Jan. 1984 Police Dispatcher   Bill Tatum      February 1984 Registration Clerk      Renee Lippin     January 1986 Singer    Joseph Neal     May 1983 ??????????            Janet Fox     March 1952 ???????????        Ron Randell THE EDGE OF NIGHT Owen Crimmins    William LaMassena  1978     donor (Claremont) THE SECRET STORM   Jonathan Styles        T. J. Hargrave Tor Hill        Never Seen, Mentioned      Janet's husband in Norway, wanted her back in January 1965    Sharon Kovick  Never Seen, Mentioned     Georgina's daughter     allegedly lived in Australia Brody         Ed Setrakian       1973  or 74 ??????         Faith Catlin
    •     I don't think Neil Wade died in an automobile accident. I think he died of an embolism. Unless he was driving at the time and it caused him to crash. Jeff was the only husband she had who died in a car accident. 
    • It seems like many posters on this board wanna MSOGA - Make Soap Operas Great Again

      Please register in order to view this content

      The 50s and 60s are over. Storytelling won't go back to that type. The 80s and 90s are over. Storytelling won't go back to that type.   I understand the nostalgia and enjoying a certain type of storytelling that was popular when growing up/being 20, 30 yrs old. That's why I watch TV series from the 70s and 80s and not as much current television. But I understand that people's attention spans have changed and therefore storytelling has changed and everything has gotten more expensive and there are more and more projects competing for eyeballs and the big flashy stuff is what makes people look up from their phones 5 seconds before going back to them.  We can never go back to before.
    • Please register in order to view this content

      date: Monday, June 9 | Teresa Zimmerman, Lynn Martin | Steven Williford YAY! Caroline is back in action at the law offices. I adore Caroline! She is a woman of business, and she handles her business quite well. Could this be the chance for Tomas to move ahead at Bill Hamilton Esq.? Madison is doing the usual tests for strokes: smiling, holding out the hands, etc., but I do wonder if she'll have him touch the tip of her finger and then the tip of his nose. That one is not easy at all. Trust me, I know! It's about time Derek becomes useful: helping to take down Dana by witnessing her interrogation of Ashley at Orphey Gene's. Oh, Nicole is showing up to question Eva, re: her interactions with Laura. This will either be a bitchfest or it'll be a heartfelt one. Cantankerous? Yes, Ashley! Call it like you see it! Is Tomas working with Katherine to set up Dana? I pray he is!! Child bride needs to calm her ass down; now she's hugging Naomi as if they're besties again? This isn't your "get out of jail" card, sweetheart. The weight that I am sure is now lifted from Eva's shoulders with Nicole accepting her apology? I love that for her. And I am sure, deep down, it helps Nicole to accept and hear it, as well. Dani showing up for Bill and their children? That's love right there, and you can tell how much it not only means for Bill but might also be reminding him of why he fell in love with her. Watch out, child bride; your time might be up by mid-summer! Katherine, you are sneaky... but I do have this sneaking suspicion this is going to blow up right back into your face before you know it. The awkward face-to-face with Chelsea and Madison. Dani introducing herself as "the first wife" is hilarious. I love it. Chelsea and Madison openly flirting in the hospital by the elevator is super cute!! Notes: Trisha Mann-Grant (Dana) continues to serve up the right amount of camp for American daytime. She's almost too good for daytime. I appreciate the new viewpoint of the outside of Dana's apartment. Nice that we can get these viewpoints that other soaps wouldn't dare to explore. Tide is seen in the scene; Tide commercials air right after. Today's jacket on Alex Alegria (Tomas) fits better than the past few he's worn. Hoping this trend continues.
    • On the cover of the Singapore (sure!) edition of Esquire 

      Please register in order to view this content

    • Please register in order to view this content

      Chelsea you are acting like a psycho. This woman is at WORK. STOP IT! Not to mention she just learned her dad had a stroke and she is more worried about getting laid  
    • Awesome Jocks.

      Please register in order to view this content

    • Guess Kat's never heard of "chain of evidence" that evidence is so contaminated now
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy