I agree. The scenes between Lily and Holden have been really intense lately. I find myself wanting Lily and Dusty together more and more just cuz it pisses off Holden so much (hes turned into a complete ahole).

Plus I'm loving Dusty's interactions with Noah. Does anyone else see him adopting Noah down the line? I really hope so. I love how nice and kind he is to Noah.

Anyways congrats to ATWT. I always knew one day it would get the ratings it deserved.

Glad that GH didn't fall.

Well, there are rumors Noah's dad wasnt Mr. Mayer. Since his mom had been around the block. It could be someone on the canvas in Oakdale. So who knows what will happen.

Well, there are rumors Noah's dad wasnt Mr. Mayer. Since his mom had been around the block. It could be someone on the canvas in Oakdale. So who knows what will happen.

Lol....I can just see it now..

Thats a soap for you. Anyways ATWT has definitely been on fire and I'm glad its doing well even though I don't watch it or comment on it as much as I'd like to.

I think the top 3 soaps on the air in terms of quality (for me as just a single viewer) are GH, ATWT, and Y&R. I just hope they continue to do good things that keep me interested and invested in the characters I've come to love.

I agree. The scenes between Lily and Holden have been really intense lately. I find myself wanting Lily and Dusty together more and more just cuz it pisses off Holden so much (hes turned into a complete ahole).

Plus I'm loving Dusty's interactions with Noah. Does anyone else see him adopting Noah down the line? I really hope so. I love how nice and kind he is to Noah.

Anyways congrats to ATWT. I always knew one day it would get the ratings it deserved.

Glad that GH didn't fall.

I think I like the idea of Dusty adopting Noah even more than making him his son. With Dusty's history with John, that would be very fitting, even if Noah is if of the age where you normally wouldn't adopt. I really liked the Noah/Dusty scenes a lot and hope they somehow continue.

I've been waiting for a Dusty/Lily romance since 2004 when they first teased us with it after Rose's death, so hope they finally really go there.

What does the heading in the ratings HH mean?

I don't understand the "difference" between Total # of Viewers and HH?

Which one is best? Thank you

I have also a question: b&b has gained 181.000 viewers, and yet, it remained at 2.8 in HH. I don't understand! total viewers and HH don't work together?

Well, this certainly quiets the rescue movement...for a week, anyway. I just hate that this is going to give Goutman and Passanante encouragement. The show could not get more uneven and lazily plotted. Bringing 2 long-suffering couples together is a temporary thrill, and what do you do the day after? And the day after that? With the other 25 characters?! It's the problem with watching a soap for a couple and not the ensemble. That's why TPTB have gotten away with their tunnel vision. Plot driven dreck pays off as long as long as you give it a big finish!

Well, this certainly quiets the rescue movement...for a week, anyway. I just hate that this is going to give Goutman and Passanante encouragement.

Not quite. ATWT is still down from 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002...you get the point. What will make a difference is if they widen their lead against GH by at least 100,000 viewers. At least GH & YR are up from last year.

Exactly 13 months ago, I read Hogan's interview on this board and said that all of the storylines that he had laid out would take DOOL in the wrong direction. I posted that EJ should not be made into a Dimera, the Dimeras should not rise again, and that Sami should not be wasted on Lucas, because the Lumi ship had sailed and sank long ago. I was politely, and not so politely, called foolish by multiple posters. I tried to keep watching the soap that I have seen since birth, but this August I gave up. Watching Sami continually cry and seeing EJ being wasted as Lucas's dastardly foil was more than I could continue to take. I might have been able to get past Hogan's follies if he had made a substantial attempt to fix them, but more than a year later he has refused to admit or correct his mistakes. With these numbers, why is Hogan still writing Salem's stories?

Because he beats James Reilly.

Seriously, some people experienced the same backlash from others during the height of the SSK madness. People fell over each other to praise the story as longtime characters were being killed off and a few posters (myself included) were like "HE'S RUINING THE SHOW!" Luckily, sanity ruled at the end. Bashing writing is nothing new on this board.

As for ATWT: Great job rising to third! Now why the hell are you resorting to the tired "she's not dying" storyline?

Watching the weekly lament of the falling ratings reminds me of the similar situation that befell the American comic book industry. To show a comparison, back in its heyday something like Superman during WW2 sold a million copies a month and today is happy to sell 80,000. And that happened across the board and the reasons were similar to the soap situation: they continued selling their product even though the audience was no longer able to be found where they used to be.

But the comic book people eventually in the last 10 years made a change and packaged their products as "graphic novels" and put them in Borders, Amazon, B&N, and so on and sales in those venues have exploded in recent years.

Soaps I think have a parallel dilemma. It won't matter what DOOL or any of the other soaps put on their program, there is only basically 2-3 million people and falling available per soap except for Y&R which has 5 million--as long as soaps run in the daytime while no one is home to watch them.

Until the networks, sony and P&G, Corday and all the other players realize their business model no longer makes sense the ratings and soaps will continue to decline. I wish we could get a look at Passion's ratings and it would be wonderful to know about iTunes download and NBC streaming data, but that doesn't seem to be available for analysis. Soaps won't go away because there will eventually be someone who can figure out how to package them successfully. But the tunnel vision folks at the networks and P&G are obviously not the people who will ride in like the cavalry and show how to make it all work.

Your post is really interesting and I completely agree.

The product needs to improve. Writing-wise. And, in some cases, acting-wise.

As far as packaging and distribution is concerned, I would like to see soaps on "pre-Primetime" -- between 5-8pm -- like every other country on earth does with their soaps. It would still be Daytime, and it would not interfere with the screening of our favorite Primetime shows. But it would also be shown at a time when kids are coming back from soccer practice, college students are done with classes for the day, parents are (on the whole) returning home from work and most everybody is hanging out in the kitchen, starting to think about dinner.

You need a little background noise while you throw some food together! You need a soap.

7pm could be like the 12.30pm/1pm slot -- for Y&R, AMC and Days.

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Please, I have a question:

this week, b&b had 3,889,000 viewers, and the HH was 2.8

On the 14/18 May week, the total number was lower (3,845,000), and yet, the HH was 3.0.

I don't understand! I thought the number of viewers and the HH worked together, please explain me!

Please, I have a question:

this week, b&b had 3,889,000 viewers, and the HH was 2.8

On the 14/18 May week, the total number was lower (3,845,000), and yet, the HH was 3.0.

I don't understand! I thought the number of viewers and the HH worked together, please explain me!

They don't really work together at all and there are often huge discrepancies like this. Actually total viewers isn't taken as seriously as the ratings which are based on households because it's much more of a guesstimate. The way it was explained to me is that Nielsen asks each of their household's how many viewers are usually watching each TV in the house. So if the residents say that the TV in the den is usually watched by 5 people and the TV in the bedroom is ususally watched by 1 person; if ONE viewer watched in the den, it would be counted as FIVE viewers (even though only 1 watched) and if the viewer decided to watch in the bedroom it would be counted as ONE viewer. If another Nielsen household said they had six people who usually watch in the den, 2 in the master bedroom and 1 in another bedroom and all 3 TV's were tuned into B&B even though only one person was home cleaning throughout the house, it would count as ONE household but NINE viewers (even though only one watched). That is why there can be such a large fluctuation in total viewers and ratings.

Edited October 19, 200718 yr by Darcy

Not quite. ATWT is still down from 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002...you get the point. What will make a difference is if they widen their lead against GH by at least 100,000 viewers. At least GH & YR are up from last year.

I see your point.

BTW I read that thing you sent me. It was pretty good. Very intense. I could definitely see a scene like that between Maxie and Logan!

If you think of some more stuff feel free to send it to me.

THanks for the explanation, Darcy!