Days would be stupid to fire Hogan Sheffer. He's a proven writer with a proven track record for success, and emmy wins. If Days has budget issues, its not something he can help.

That said, I'll bet they will fire him. Days is notoriously stupid like that. They'll fire Cwikly & Brash or Hogan Sheffer because they hit a momentary dry spell (and regarding Hogan ... December 2006 anybody??? Brilliant!), but they'll let people like Tom Langan and James E Reilly drive the show into the ground, and leave them there. JER should have been fired by the end of 2004 when the show went to hell and the ratings went with it - yet he stays till 2006.

And when(possibly if) Days goes off in 2009, I'll always point the finger back to them demoting Cwikly and Brash. The show, creativly, has never recovered from that decision. And the same can be said for the ratings, despite JER's peaks during the SSK the weeks the characters died. C&B brought Days up in ratings, and were regularly occupying the #2 spot. The show then, early 2003 had a chance to go on to greatness, but Days has never recovered from what Higley and Reilly did to it.

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I don't know what to say. If Corday fires Hogan, he's an idiot. I believe he's the one interfering with the writing. If he would let Hogan write, Days' ratings would be in better shape. Hmmm, if this Hogan firing is true, would Goutman ask him to come back?

I have no problem with Hogan. As I've said time and time before, I believe this is all Corday and in his recent interview, he did damage control by passing off the blame to Hogan. All you have to do is read Hogan's interview and the previews going into January.

DAYS is not in bad shape right now. The writing is very good and so is the acting. They just need the familiars back front and center, and not the second and third string.

ITA. Hogan always follows his previews, unless upper management intervenes. I can't say I wouldn't be glad if Goutman asked him to come back to ATWT. Hogan is what made me fall for ATWT and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Thank you MrsMahany for the TvGuide blurbs.

Could it be the reason Sheffer has been so quiet is because he knows he majorly fucked up? Corday is such a damn liar that I have trouble believing anything he says, but if you read between the lines, Sheffer did say that he wanted to bring the younger generation forward. That's exactly what he's been doing. Corday's comments about letting Sheffer have free reign may not be him passing the blame to Sheffer like I initially thought. In fact, it could be Corday's way of sticking it to Sheffer for this disaster.

Sheffer delivered some good stuff after Milstein left so I think he's very capable of writing the show so I'm going to give him the benefit that he can turn things around. My only reservation is that he fired Brash, and the other Days writers and brought on his team which, IMO, has not helped at all. The show no longer "feels" like Days, and I believe that's why.

I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing the younger generation forward, in moderation. Phillip should be growing into his role, Shawn and Belle should grow up, Chelsea should mature, Sami and EJ should carry on the diMera/Brady feud (and I don't think Stefano would add anything at this point) . But the key is moderation, and whoever's decision it was to leave the vets out, it wasn't smart.

I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing the younger generation forward, in moderation. Phillip should be growing into his role, Shawn and Belle should grow up, Chelsea should mature, Sami and EJ should carry on the diMera/Brady feud (and I don't think Stefano would add anything at this point) . But the key is moderation, and whoever's decision it was to leave the vets out, it wasn't smart.

Totally agree. It was a major mistake. Of course, I also believe all the exits hurt the show. If the vets had to be put on the backburner because of the budget, the younger and new characters are the only ones there to take up the slack.

Apparently modern viewers didn't like it though

THE CITY's ratings were getting better before its cancellation, if I'm not mistaken. Jane Elliot's Tracy Quartermaine really juiced this show and kicked it into high gear.

The biggest problem is that ABC wasn't willing to give this show more than just a year on the air. I liked, overall, the IDEA of THE CITY. I hear the Morgan Fairchild days were slow-paced and snoozeworthy. I remember Michael Logan did a piece on the show and labeled the article "THE CITY That Always Sleeps."

I think with a more daring writer and a more lengthy time on the air, THE CITY could have gained a new audience or at least made an effort to chip into Y&R's audience. You can't kill Y&R overnight.

ABC failed THE CITY, not the other way around. I even read somewhere that the show was doing better in the graveyard hours in some larger markets and that doesn't surprise me. The show was just perfect for that kind of timeslot.

Could it be the reason Sheffer has been so quiet is because he knows he majorly fucked up? Corday is such a damn liar that I have trouble believing anything he says, but if you read between the lines, Sheffer did say that he wanted to bring the younger generation forward. That's exactly what he's been doing. Corday's comments about letting Sheffer have free reign may not be him passing the blame to Sheffer like I initially thought. In fact, it could be Corday's way of sticking it to Sheffer for this disaster.

I think Sheffer was right to pinpoint the reality that no up and coming characters were good enough to carry the show in the future, and so in that sense the younger generation does deserve attention, but they needed more quality improvement over longer time overall before their screentime should've increased this much. In any case, sometimes I wonder if its less about the younger ones and more about the fact that some actors had to be off, thus requiring the dependency on the younger ones.

Sheffer delivered some good stuff after Milstein left so I think he's very capable of writing the show so I'm going to give him the benefit that he can turn things around. My only reservation is that he fired Brash, and the other Days writers and brought on his team which, IMO, has not helped at all. The show no longer "feels" like Days, and I believe that's why.

His firing Brash as well as SLG, those I do not like at all. I feel this writing team may be competent but that Days-specific continuity is interrupted.

Days would be stupid to fire Hogan Sheffer. He's a proven writer with a proven track record for success, and emmy wins. If Days has budget issues, its not something he can help.

That said, I'll bet they will fire him. Days is notoriously stupid like that. They'll fire Cwikly & Brash or Hogan Sheffer because they hit a momentary dry spell (and regarding Hogan ... December 2006 anybody??? Brilliant!), but they'll let people like Tom Langan and James E Reilly drive the show into the ground, and leave them there. JER should have been fired by the end of 2004 when the show went to hell and the ratings went with it - yet he stays till 2006.

And when(possibly if) Days goes off in 2009, I'll always point the finger back to them demoting Cwikly and Brash. The show, creativly, has never recovered from that decision. And the same can be said for the ratings, despite JER's peaks during the SSK the weeks the characters died. C&B brought Days up in ratings, and were regularly occupying the #2 spot. The show then, early 2003 had a chance to go on to greatness, but Days has never recovered from what Higley and Reilly did to it.

yeah after firing C&B and hiring Higley...I'm sure Corday did not expect her infamous 'long-term vision' for the show to be what we actually saw. i have to just throw it out there how interesting it is that *if* Hogan is let go when summer ends, that is right around the time when JER will be on the unemployment line... Just an observation

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Chi, please bite your tounge (or computer) - just kidding but If JERk returns the show is dead in the water

Could it be the reason Sheffer has been so quiet is because he knows he majorly fucked up? Corday is such a damn liar that I have trouble believing anything he says, but if you read between the lines, Sheffer did say that he wanted to bring the younger generation forward. That's exactly what he's been doing. Corday's comments about letting Sheffer have free reign may not be him passing the blame to Sheffer like I initially thought. In fact, it could be Corday's way of sticking it to Sheffer for this disaster.

My thoughts exactly Pranji, Sheffer did exactly what he said he was going to do, and it FLOPPED

And when(possibly if) Days goes off in 2009, I'll always point the finger back to them demoting Cwikly and Brash. The show, creativly, has never recovered from that decision. And the same can be said for the ratings, despite JER's peaks during the SSK the weeks the characters died. C&B brought Days up in ratings, and were regularly occupying the #2 spot. The show then, early 2003 had a chance to go on to greatness, but Days has never recovered from what Higley and Reilly did to it.

AGREED!

Please, do not bring me into this as this is not my spumor. I did post over a month ago that Sheffer was told to make changes, part of which was to bring the vets back on front burner and if ratings didn't improve he would be out and most likely replaced by Milstein. That was it! So if you are going to down me, at least be right about your facts. As for everyone saying Sheffer is innocent in all of this, you might want to rethink that. Let's look at what Sheffer had to say in earlier interviews:

From TV Guide:

About the DiMeras....

Let's start with Sheffer's take on the DiMera clan, that dynasty of deviants who've been stirring up terror in Salem since the '80s. "When I first got this job," Sheffer says, "everybody told me, 'You need to bring back the DiMeras.' This is the perfect time for that. I want to reward longtime Days fans by tapping the show's history of romance and old-school villains."

Need I say it? OK, I suppose I must... SPOILER ALERT!

Will Stefano DiMera return to Salem?

I outright told Sheffer that Days just shouldn't do any more DiMera stories sans Stefano DiMera, the cagey "Phoenix" himself. Daytime vet Joseph Mascolo recently left The Bold and the Beautiful and I've heard word he's returning to Days to reprise his signature Stefano role. True?

"Our problem, at the moment," Sheffer says, "is I don't know if [Mascolo] is willing to come back for a short span. We have to think about what to do about that. The first thing we'll do is make sure there's another generation of the DiMera family on the canvas. We need to start passing down those attributes that have been so successful to the next generation. The [younger] generation on this show is sitting around doing nothing."

From TV Guide

About the history of the show.

He would occasionally check it out, but never watched. The show sent him 20 dvds to get him caught up with stuff and history.

Obviously he didn't get enough DVDs as Jessica and Josh had a baby girl!

Another quote from TV Guide

It's about setting up the younger generation to accept power from the older.

So are you really surprised the vets have been sidelined!

And yet another quote from TV Guide

Sheffer will NOT introduce new families. Says that there has been an erosion of the Hortons, so that now everyone's a Brady and there's incest. First thing was to find some Hortons who are in their late teens/early 20s.

"...but I have no desire to bring in my own family. I think that's despicable. I really do."

Says audience doesn't have investment in new families.

Let me see, wasn't Willow one of his very first creations and didn't he try expanding her family?

The problem is not all Corday. Corday problem is he isn't the brightest bulb in the box and doesn't know how to run a show. He depends greatly on the HW. And part of the HW's job is not only to write well, but to make a bible for the show which means what his intentions are with the characters of the show for the upcoming year or longer. The best HW for DAYS ever was Sheri Anderson because she was also a fan of the show. DAYS is unique and it takes a real fan to write the show and not someone who viewed 20 DVDs.

So trash me if that's how you get your jollies, but at least trash me with authenic information. You may think I am full of crap, but my board will tell you otherwise. Everything you are finding out this week from SOD and SOW, my board already knew about. And honestly, what is there to make up about DAYS besides these outlandish things I have been hearing these past two months from certain posters. None of that crap originated from me. I'm still waiting to see this male rape or this big ice storm! FCOL and you have the nerve to bash me! Get your facts straight please!

PS, I am only posting a reply because members of my board made me aware of this post and said WTF? as I haven't posted over here in like almost 9 months! So if you don't want me posting here, keep my name out of posts and I am more than glad to do so. I've been around for 3 years now and have a PROVEN track record. If I were so full of crap do you really think I would be around this long? GMAFB already!

Edited to state.... BTW... I was known as Baby Brady.

Thank you so much for that!!! How can Sheffer be totally blameless in all of this?

Chi, please bite your tounge (or computer) - just kidding but If JERk returns the show is dead in the water

I agree, and I'm afraid NBC would foist JERk back on Corday. If that happened, I would stop watching after over 25 years. I don't think I have to worry about that, though.