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I don't know why this promo made me laugh, but didn't just everyone talk about The Catlins? The actors seem like real people!

I guess it depends on how you view it - primetime soaps are usually considered soaps that are aired in the primetime with one episode per week and usually seasonal orders. I guess Peyton Place sort of curbs this rule as it aired 2-3 times a week all weeks of the year. Daytime soaps are usually seen as five-day-a-week soaps. The Catlins aired at 11:05am and 11:40pm in April 1984: https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-40642.html No idea which one was the new episode and which one was the repeat, but it wouldn't surprise me if the late night airing was the new episode in this case. Is that a daytime soap or a nightime then? Most would probably still say daytime soap due to the five day a week nature of it.

I'm definitively not counting on greatness from the get-go since soaps usually take a bit to land properly. I'm just going to be happy if it's not a complete mess, lol.

* Adoptive sister. Kristen and Peter were adopted. Hence why marrying Tony (/André) was only weird, but not incest.

I don't know why, but sometimes I think of this gay soap opera with Tracy Scoggins and I'm dyying to be with them. Dyyyying.

I'd assume it might be a bit of both - Linda might not per se have been pushed out, but been asked to do less episode / take less pay and she just decided that it was time to walk away and do other things.

I assumed this was going to be about soaps that were mostly lost to time, but I guess not since Dark Shadows showed up first. Just skipping in this (I guess I'll spoiler it if anyone wants to be surprised:

Paramount has launched official channels for Melrose Place: https://www.youtube.com/@Melrose_Place. https://www.instagram.com/melroseplacetv Hopefully this bodes well for the rebooted reboot.

It's just nepo baby things...

I'd imagine the first scene would be someone entering THE GATES (dun-dun-dun).

Sami was obviously justified in everything she did and was always the wronged party.

I genuinely never thought she was dead - for now they're still using Marci Miller's image, but I guess the big "uh-oh" sign will be if all of a sudden Annalynne starts showing up in images.

From what I can tell, there's a lot of people who watched "Swans Crossing" as children/tweens who have nostalgic memories of it - the issue of course is that the appeal is very much limited towards that crowd. As I said, it comes off as an odd cross between a childrens program and a soap opera; I think it's the attempted action-adventure elements that does it (but they didn't have the budget to properly pull that off either). Just look at the difference between it and 90210 that aired at the same time; while 90210 isn't exactly realistic, I think it at least is somewhat aspirational for teens and still manages to relate to a lot of things that teenagers go through (albeit in an OTT manner). Swans Crossing really doesn't have that quality. IDK. We'll see if I make it through the entire series. It's up there and it's *only* 65 episodes around 22 minutes but... ---- Here's a fansite: https://www.oocities.org/~missswan/ Includes a press release where they state it was directed towards the pre-teen/teen audience: https://www.oocities.org/~missswan/prshow.txt Somewhat interesting that it mentions that 130 episodes are "in production" and they had funding for 325 episodes. It must've done badly for them to cut it short (but then again, I think it ended with a to be continued).

It never ceases to amaze me how this somehow keeps chugging along since I've never seen anyone talk about it. I guess it's making profit somehow so fair enough. I'm just curious where all the viewers are.

I guess they're not listing their daytime shows there? In general, most aren't interested in syndicating daytime soaps - Dark Shadows is an outlier. Plus it probably hasn't been digitally transferred and isn't really a brand name...

I was surprised there's no dedicated thread to this, at least from what I could find, especially since the entire series has been available on streaming for quite a few years now. I'll have to say that I'm surprised at how it seems to mostly direct itself towards tweens rather than teens - it doesn't really feel aspirational for an average teenage viewer (well, from just watching three episodes) and a lot of the storylines seem to be those you'd find in a kids show (ie living in a sub marine, kids with unfathomable tech skills, cheesy dance and song routines). Compare that to what Beverly Hills 90210 was doing at the same time and you can see how they limited their audience a lot - it's more Saved by the Bell without the laughs. Apparently Sarah in natural haircolour means she's Queen Bitch. ETA: apparently it even had a toy line, so I guess the writing falls in line with who they were trying to appeal to: https://diaryofadorkette.blogspot.com/2012/02/toy-chest-tuesday-swans-crossing.html

I think it really helped switch it up, especially for Dallas - I suspect that show would've grown stale a lot sooner if they weren't forced to change the status quo. It's the same thing as Shannen Doherty leaving Beverly Hills 90210 was a blessing in disguise.

Ooh! Flamingo Road?! That's a shocker, but happy if they put that up. I guess having Mark Harmon on it helps (but then again, where's my HD version of 2000 Malibu Road then?!).

Actually, David Jacobs (RIP) said that wasn't the issue why it wasn't released on DVD. The first two seasons sold lousy, so they didn't bother upscaling the rest of the seasons. I imagine with so many episodes it takes a while and yes, music rights might be an issue but like with 90210 and Melrose Place they'll just replace it in the worst case scenario (or even worse, just skip the episode, as is the case with a lot of 90210 episodes). Falcon Crest seemingly retained the 60s music they used in season 7 though. It's been said it's coming. When is another matter. I'd assume the biggest issue is that they don't see it as a priority because of said lousy sales of the DVD (plus the performance of Falcon Crest on FreeVee might be another consideration).

I think the biggest issue with choosing a very recognizable city like New Orleans is creating that atmosphere, especially if they aren't filming in it. I'd say just create a fictional town - that way they can decide what it's like, don't have to worry about dialects and can also adjust it to budget constraints.

Yep, it sounds pretty serious since they've post-poned the public voting now (it was supposed to open at midnight). I doubt they'd consider disqualifying him over something non-serious because trying to fill three extra minutes in a tight live show is a nightmare.

I'll never stop laughing at Lucy talking about how hot Cliff was. He always looked like a rat (which was perfectly in character).

Well, last is usually considered a "star spot". I'm more confused with Mark Lindsay Chapman being named in this - he was hardly famous and not even a regular! I do think it's interesting how they just promoted it as a new show. Though it makes sense - I actually think it's probably a much more well-plotted and written season that a lot of them. But they could've pretty much just named it Falcon Crest: New Beginnings or something...

Yup. Unfortunately, you get the feeling she spends hours each day studying her face for new lines and misses the full picture. As you said, she has filler all over her face but for some reason won't go for the lips - I assume it's the lines in the face that annoys her. Add that she's unhealthily thin for her age... Exactly - either you'd need to largely keep it the way it is or you'd just need to do such an overhaul that it's not worth keeping the structure up.

Yes, exactly. Kassie DePavia filmed a three week stint in like three days. I don't think they film *episodes* in that manner, which makes sense if they're going to be that far ahead.