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Revenge got a lot of buzz in the 2011-12 season. Next season NBC premiered the show Deception, about a woman working to infiltrate her best friends rich family after she dies of a suspicious overdose to get to the bottom of what happened and get... revenge. Recently, we saw a lot of This Is Us-inspired shows - A Million Little Things being the obvious one, but then also Council of Dads and The Village to cash in on that 30-something drama trend. Oh, and of course ABC ordered a reboot of said thirtysomething that never made it to the air.

I mean, I'm 99.9% sure that it's DAYS since they're obviously putting Doug's send-off together at the moment. With that said - I'd like those two episodes to turn into more, but who knows how much she acts these days or that she'd even be interested in doing DAYS with the type of filming schedule they use.

I'm happy that they're absolutely going all out with Doug's memorial, as they should. The dream would be that they would also get Denise Alexander, but she hasn't acted since 2021, so who knows if she's up for it.

Reading the synopsis it comes off as a very Knots, or rather No Down Payment with a couple moving into a neighbourhood and then the tensions go from there. I wonder if there was any chance of this going to series if it had been successful? If it had been done in the 90s you know the oldest one in the cast would've been like 35 lol.

The Talk is doing badly and despite trying to revamp it with Jerry O'Connell and new producers, it's failed to raise the ratings. Even if The Gates doesn't make it to the air, that shows time on air is probably limited.

Hopefully Steve Olsen's return and maybe even Sandy's hinted return will open the door to more Horton's in the future, though I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, I don't see the winning a lottery thing happening for various reasons. I'm sure there'll be an "outsider" character/family either way that'll provide an insight into this world and the tension of trying to fit in. But as I said, if they choose something specific for their company then it needs to be something that can be worked into storylines. That's kind of the issue with the Generations family owning a popular brand of ice cream; sure it's without a doubt profitable industry but impossible to work into a storyline. (Though I'm having a sudden craving for ice cream right now)

Either way - the point is, if the specific business plays no part in storylines, then they might as well just have a wide and diffuse business portfolio. Oil played a large part in Dallas's storylines, wine was integral to Falcon Crest, fashion industry used to play a big part on The Bold & The Beautiful (I haven't watched it for years so no idea about current day). If they're going to pick a business, then it better be something they can work into the storylines. Otherwise it'll just be what DAYS currently does with "DiMera Enterprises" which just seems to exist for the purpose of changing CEOs every three months.

I mean, if you don't have an ice cream catfight, or at least a death-by-ice cream, was it ever really about the frozen dessert business?

I asked @JAS0N47 about that and apparently it only aired on select stations, so it wasn't nationwide. I assume it's the same deal as with those telenovela-ish shows they had in the mid-90s like Acapulco Bay - it was sold to Fox stations, but no fixed or recommended timeslot deal. I know they had a kids block, so that's why I wondered if they attempted any blocks (even rerun ones to prepare for eventual daytime programming) outside of it. I know Aaron Spelling shows like Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place and Models Inc got second runs on E! rather than Fox stations in the 90s.

Thank you! Did Fox ever do proper daytime programming or did they leave it all up to the affiliates to handle? 🤔

I thought there was a thread, but apparently not (or at least I can't find it). Either way, a partial episode of this has surfaced online:

I mean, my main hope is that they'll at least spend a fair budget on building elaborate sets for the main locations, but even that's holding out too much hope. Of course I'd love some sort of outside set, but yeah. Ain't gonna happen.

If I'm reading that chart right a 22.2 rating for Peyton Place translated into an audience of 11 940 000 viewers. It means that in the mid-60s a ratings point was somewhere around 500-600k. It makes me even more interesting to see how the actual audience numbers translates from ratings since it often gives the impression that viewers were dropping off these shows rather than them being unable to grow.

Looking a bit more into it on IMDB, these shows aired as following: Acapulco Bay (1995 ????) (60 episodes) The Guilt (1996 ???) (80 episodes) Forever (Mon 10 June 1996 - Fri 11 October 1996) (89 episodes) I'm guessing Forever was the last one to air? It sort of reminds me of the failed MyNetworkTv experiment, but as always there was no patience to give the telenovela format a solid time slot.

Interesting! I had never heard of these - I of course knew about Tribes and the late night attempt Bourbon Street that never made it to air. I think the main issue is that soaps take time to take hold and I'm guessing Fox didn't have enough power to force their affiliates to air these shows in a set time, especially once they got drab ratings. There's an episode of The Guilt on YouTube: And a trailer for Forever (La Madastra) - a bit hard to see if there's more due to other tv shows being called Forever:

I've been watching "Homefront" lately and despite all the critical acclaim hiding the fact, it is a soap. Part of me wonder if they had gone harder in the promo for the soapy angle rather than trying to be a critical darling it would've been more successful.

For now, no. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if it gets ready for the fall, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it's next year or fall. If it's replacing The Talk, well, that's a show they can literally end or extend as long as they need it.

This is what people easily forget. Prime time is diminishing at a faster rate than daytime; in fact, if Y&R rated as it does in daytime in prime time, it would be on the level of getting renewed these days. Soaps also frequently appear in the top ten lists on streamers - and as you say, they produce 260 episodes a year for a fraction of the costs of a similar 8-10 episode high-budget series. I mean, FreeVee taking a chance of Neighbours shows that they don't view it as a dead genre, but a lot will be about making the economics work out and getting as much as possible out of it (hence people talking about it re-airing in a late night slot).

This should've been done with some of the soaps that launched in the 90s - ie The City and Sunset Beach, since those were directed at the 18-34 demographic that had gotten a sudden interest in soaps due to the success of Beverly Hills, 90210 and Melrose Place, yet were airing in time slots (noon) that none of that audience were at home. Unfortunately, I think late airings wouldn't be as effective today, so I'd hope they would go all out on streaming too.

Well, The Talk at the very least. It's worth remembering that they brought Jerry O'Connell on as an attempt to differentiate it from other women talk shows and to boost ratings and it's still at the bottom. I don't see it surviving before B&B (plus, as others pointed out if The Gates does bomb it leaves them in a worse position without B&B to fall back on).

Another thought re: profitability and this being a majority black cast. In prime time we've seen a lot of shows break out that's either been majority black or black led like Empire or Abbott Elementary. However, the issue with these shows that attract a large African-American audience is that despite rating well, they don't attract premium advertisers because they're usually from low-income households. Star was essentially cancelled due to this. It was rating well in the 18-49 demographic, just not in high-income households making it unprofitable for prime time. Daytime doesn't have this issue; there's no pressure to attract higher income audiences because well, everybody needs and buys soap and that's the advertisers that it's supposed to sell to. So it makes sense to develop this from that perspective.

I think it's worth remembering that even if shows like The Talk is cheap, it literally has zero value beyond it's initial airing especially on streaming. Surely, that must be something CBS have taken into consideration with developing a new soap, particularly one they have a stake in.

I've had my IMDB account since 1999, so... Wiki didn't come until the mid-00s.

That was for prime time and they still have budget there to order scripts only to have them gathering dust. Ordering for daytime hasn't happened since... uh, when was the last time it was seriously even talked about to launch a new daytime soap?