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I meant the rape. I don't know what writer/producer thought it was a good idea to rape that character but they were nuts!

She wrote Lorna's best stuff IMO. Fierce Lorna. Carl's henchwoman, the affair with Matt, rivalry with Felicia- that was the Lorna I loved. Peggy Sloane wrote a more watered down version.

She also penned the Jamie/Vicky/Jake/Marley mess, though they should have had Steven be Jake's baby. IMO, her writing is what brought Anne Heche to life. She brought back Kathleen, Carl Hutchins, and she must have been responsible for Cecile's 1988 return at Halloween, since Harding LeMay didn't come back until November. She started the Snowflake Ball, she did the special black & white Valentine's Day film noir piece, she was responsible for a lot of innovation on AW and she brought back key characters that fueled the show's future (Carl Hutchins being her longest felt achievement).

Joanna was needed on Miami, if only for added messiness. She's like a younger, brattier, more mean-spirited Dorit. She provides too much fodder for the other Housewives to be let go. I mean, when he grabbed Kenya and brought her into that pool- the chemistry just LEAPED off the screen. I don't think they ever hooked up, which is why their onscreen chemistry was palatable. In my experience, the chase is often hotter than the sex.

Never saw much of season1-2 Atlanta but he could get it!

I just thought a Cruz/Julia relationship would have seemed a natural progression. Even Cruz/Kelly, had the show not chosen to recast. I actually think Julia may have stepped aside once Eden came back. I think it could have been a very different kind of triangle, powerful, and made more interesting by the friendships that Julia had with both Eden and Cruz. I liked that Julia had separate relationships which each of those 2 characters. I thought it could have been a very human, realistic triangle, where nobody hates or blames anybody. It's what I would have written. The Kelly dynamic would have been SOLID with Carrington Garland in the role. They could have thrown them curveballs without needing a Marcy Walker return to do it (Quinn, Robert, Ric- endless possibilities). It makes me wish that the Dobsons had actually watched at least the 1990 year while they were gone or before coming back in order to freshen up on what had been going on. I think they may have seen and realized that Carrington was a very appealing Kelly and connected with the audience in a way they didn't realize. They could have easily made ED Laken Lockridge so she would still be a character from a prominent family and then she would have had a character she could easily mold and make her own, since Laken was never really defined nor ever connected with the audience. Or, if they wanted her to have major story, then bring her on as a recast Victoria Lane. At least that character would have had miles of story to play had they brought her back and all romantic pairings would have remained open, since she was related to nobody. The one actor/character I thought Eileen had chemistry with was Forry Smith's Reese. I wished the show had gone there (they hinted at it when Reese/Jodie were first brought on). Ironically, the Walker character I liked best (Reese) is the one Pam Long did the least with.

Dare I say that the fact that Apollo is a low-life fraudster makes him even more attractive to me??!? RE:Andy/Apollo Hookup- I didn't know there was any such rumor (got any Links to said rumor?). I'd believe it. Apollo's been to prison.....twice now. He's a sexual, arrogant, narcissistic man. I'm sure the line was crossed even before prison. IMO, bisexual men (not women) are usually extremely sexual beings who are very much in love with themselves. Ironically, the bad boy type that many women and gay men are attracted to. I'd put money on Apollo flirting with Andy for years, knowing he's loaded, and trying to set up a little hedge fun for himself after he went to prison. So yeah, I'd imagine it happened and I wouldn't be surprised if Andy is waiting for him to come out so he can be his "kept" man and Apollo is leading him on along the way. I mean, I could produce an 8 year series about this very relationship (that I've maybe made up in my head!). I'll always miss Miami. The "limp penis" read was Adriana's best line (and line reading) EVER!

Oh I remember your Chris Laurita obsession. Quite well. To be fair, I think Chris would make a damn fine husband. My Real House Husband rankings you ask? Ok, if I must.... 1. Apollo Nida (ATL) 2. Romain Zaga (Miami) 3. Doug McLaughlin (OC) 4. Mauricio Umanski (BH) 5. Christian (Lizzie's Hubby, OC) Honorable Mention- NotGay Eddie Judge (OC), NotGay Simon (OC) I loved me some Christian- his laid-back , very California approach to life and hair. Romain's squinting really turns me on. Doug's undercover gigolo Christian sex appeal. Mauricio's chemistry with Camille is and was always fire. But Apollo is a damn God.

' Yes, I do. I actually hoped that's the direction they'd go in. NLG always played it that if there was no Eden, she'd be interested in Cruz. I think that was the logical way to go. And Kelly may have even worked, had they not brought in Eileen. I'd have been interested to see Carrington Garland's chemistry with A Martinez.

And, for like the 5th time in this thread, one of my all-time favorite scenes-

Here's something to put a smile on SB (and George Michael) fans today-

Question- Who was Katherine Delafield, how did she get so damn popular so quickly, and why was she written off so soon after her skyrocketing popularity? I remember her portrayer (Edie Lehman or something like that) actually hit #4 in the Daytime TV Best Actress Readers Poll. Extremely rare for a newbie in that era. Legit, that top 5 went like this, for over a year, with NO changes: 1. Mary Beth Evans (Kayla, DAYS) 2. Marcy Walker (Eden, SB) 3. Finola Hughes (Anna, GH) 4. Patsy Pease (Kimberly, DAYS) 5. Nancy Grahn (Julia, SB) And Edie Whosherface infultrates within months of joining the GH cast? U guys, help me understand....

You guys- I'm watching the OC Housewives repeats that aired today from season 8 and I JUST realized something- We're FINALLY getting HOT DOUG back!!!

The above montage clip, when Carmen Duncan's Iris takes the seat next to Mac with baby Alli- it's clear as day there too IMO, which makes me think this came from a Lemay outline too. VW plays it in that scene as well, the look on her face when Iris does it just shows that her instinct is to go sit between them, but instead crosses to the window. Or am I reading too much into a scene with no words and only blocking?

You are hitting the nail on the head. And I can relate to that feeling. I actually don't feel that he's completely uninterested, more like he's keeping her on a string, which makes it even more difficult to watch. I am rooting for her but as I said, I doubt this is going to end well. But keep her on the show because when she hits rock bottom, I'm interested to see how well (or badly) she handles it. It's a bitter, often poisonous pill to swallow when the reality sets in.

I really feel for Robyn. Having made the same mistake so often in my life, I totally understand the place she's coming from. Everyone knows it doesn't end well but you. And I can't really blame her because that Juan is sex on a stick and seems like a really good guy to me. I don't pity her or look down on her. I empathize with her. My heart went out to her in that therapy session.

Oh you're making me cry. What a beautiful show Another World could be. I truly believe that when AW left the airwives, daytime lost a HUGE, ICONIC piece of its heart. And I have to say that, though I know you posted this as a tribute to Mac, that was a beautiful, quiet scene between Bridget and Vicky. Anne Heche was a powerhouse even then and Barbara Berger gave great support. Though AW fans always talk about Frankie Frame's cruel death via Fax Newman, this serves as a reminder that he first did away with Bridget, which is what started the cruelty. It wasn't just the death of Frankie that helped kill AW, but the one-two punch of Bridget AND Frankie, especially so soon after killing off Ryan Harrison. JFP was pretty cruel to the character of Vicky Hudson when it comes down to it, though I really think that she brought a vision with her to AW and executed it. Say what you will about JFP's tenure, but she was the first EP to even have a vision for AW since Paul Rauch. Either way, this was a beautiful, beautiful 7 minutes to watch and makes me yearn for the days of classic soap. (Re-posting this commentary from Best Daytime Dads thread bc it could turn into a good old fashioned AW discussion)

That damn red swan crap- where on Earth did they come up with that? Didn't Vicky Wyndham actually like that storyline? Best thing to come out of that was Cali Timmins' Paulina (the BEST and ONLY Paulina).

Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold the phone. I thought it WAS revealed that Josie was Russ's daughter, hence her rivalry with Olivia. Wasn't that the whole storyline that Russ was brought back for in the first place? I'm pretty sure I remember watching (and re-watching) that happen.

RHONY- I can't be the only one who noticed Sonja's Frenchie giving Luann the "up down" and proceeding to eye-f.uck her for 5 minutes, can I? Anybody? Anyone at all?

Speaking to the 3 PM time slot (and quoting a 9 YEAR old post lol), I actually think that SB benefited from that and could have continued to benefit from it. Many young people that were in school rushed home to watch the series and caught it because it was at 3 pm. This was a generation that had no established ties to GH or GL or any other soap for that matter. Many of the die-hard fans I've encountered are now in their 30s and early 40s. I actually believe that much of its core audience were brand new soap viewers, the very viewers NBC would be courting after its demise. It's really a shame because when DAYS started catapulting in the numbers (summer of '93), SB was already gone and I think they could have done very well had NBC held on just a bit longer. A DAYS/SB pairing I think would have gone over well and captured the generation of viewers that advertisers ended up striving for.

Actually I felt Ted was better defined in the later years, when Michael Brainard played him. He was turned into somewhat of a cad and a playboy, which I rather enjoyed. His pairings with Lily and Angela were both successful, though I hated him with Katrina. They even tried him with Suzanne Collier. His relationship with CC was given more depth and strengthed, and he was finally a character I (and I think the audience) were actually interested in. I prefer his version to Todd McKee.

Yes that happened too. It was pretty gross and a boring storyline, even if I did kind of like Major Philip Hamilton (Warren Burton)

A-List Dallas was trashy, soapy goodness at its finest!

They already have one.