Gray Bunny

In the woulda coulda shoulda's, I wonder where we'd be if a couple years ago they had ditched Kyle and Erika, brought back LVP and Camille, and those 2, Garcelle, Sutton, and Dorit could've been the solid 5, with Dorit having to grovel to get back into LVP's good graces. Plus, Camille vs. Dorit is always comical.

Ah, so RHOBH thinks they're Y&R circa 1990's heyday. Perhaps it's because the show is 15 years old now, but the younger franchises Potomac and SLC still have a fresh energy to it by comparison as they air simultaneously. RHOBH seems stale with its same faces (well, same people) doing the same old stuff. Potomac is wisely planning its next era, as more of the OG's are going by the wayside. Salt Lake City might struggle down the line because the pool of talent in that city is small. But RHOBH isn't really evolving anymore. The Garcelle bashing looks like the mean girls trying to rationalize to themselves (the audience) that everything they did was right and Garcelle's reactions were in the wrong. Well, I'm glad the debut season's numbers were lackluster.

Re: Mary. Exactly. That's the real queen of this franchise, and the fans love her.

How many years later and Erika is still a "survivor" from the Tom/loss-of-money ordeal, blah blah blah...

Meh, I'm good with Bronwyn. She's meshed in nicely with the gang, having faux friendships with some and beefs with others. She's not a dud like others they've tried to bring into the mix (the other Angie, the other Jennie, plus the couple other peeps whose names don't even register), and I find her family life a good mix of messy and complicated, with some of their life on display while other aspects stay hidden (for now). Definitely good for another season at least. I liked Tuesday's episode; good blend of personal lives as well as a patriotic dinner party from hell du jour. I swear though, Meredith has lost me. Her persistent gaslighting makes her look unwell in the head. Whitney's husband is SO in the doghouse for blowing up her business; you could tell they were playing nice for the cameras with his plastered grin and her fighting back her anger.

LOL someone's seething in their veneers right now...

Their obvious smear campaign against this woman is pathetic. The sad truth is, none of them will ever leave the show willingly. This show is their life (and livelihood) for most.

Agreed on both counts. Just watching this past Sunday's show, it's clear there's still much to mine in Potomac without those two sticking around. Another +1 to that brother ;) In fact, replace K with K's mother and she can kick it with contemporaries, Gizelle and Karen. K was doing WAY too much yet again, going up against Stacey who continues to stay unbothered. K and Angel are in their own stank-faced corner, while the rest can kiki together. They really should've upgraded Jassi instead, who clicks with the group so much better. LOL at Charriisse getting a ticket to the next cast trip. Okay fine, lol, at this point it's entertaining because Bravo will never give her back her flute for her gassy champagne room-for-one. Monique's newfound zen continues to impress. A welcome return. All that money Wendy is spending on that home remodel... tsk, tsk. About as good a look as Teresa Guidice paying with cash for thousands of dollars worth of furniture onscreen.

Loved it! I need my Dr. Heavenly though... it was a great starting episode though!

Oh, so she did admit he had an affair? I didn't even know that. Or maybe I knew but quickly forgot.

For all the hype about Stacey going after Monique's ex, and Monique was so chill and adult about it. A total flop for K, and a hilarious example of Bravo taking bits 'n pieces of things and putting it in promos like there's going to be a huge altercation. That said -- WELCOME BACK, MONIQUE!!! I'm liking Tia overall, but she did come after Stacey a little too harshly. We get it, Stacey's a liar and was totally caught, but wasn't that big a deal, especially considering they all know her ex isn't too keen on being shown on camera around the cast. I feel like when it's a 4th wall issue such as this case, they should just let it slide. SO much news came out in the past couple weeks, but I echo the disappointment of @Cat in the let down of a potential OG & Newbie RHONY. It's obvious there's still a thirst for the likes of Dorinda, Luann, Sonja, and a big WOW to Carole being back in the fold. We don't need the more problematic ones (Ramona, Jill etc.), but there's still something to be mined from the others mentioned, along with a couple others. Re: SLC taking the shine from RHOBH. So, so true. Beverly Hills has become the stodgy soap opera that's resting on their laurels. Re: RHOP Wendy: It's crazy, because I think she's currently having one of her best seasons, where it almost appears she has some genuine friendships, while sparring with her haters. I feel vindicated in always having doubts about her. Something about her was never quite right. Not gonna lie, I was disappointed Robyn wasn't at the event celebrating 10 million downloads for Reasonably Shady. I had thought she took her axing in stride and was honest about it, but I guess she's too butthurt to make an appearance in hopes the viewers would beg Bravo to bring her back?

Totally late in this thread (work! work! work!) but as someone who recently re-watched all of Season 9 of OC, I definitely agree. Vicki is still fun, Tamra gets knocked down a peg, Shannon has a fantastic 1st season, Heather gets called out for acting superior, and Lizzie was one who should've lasted longer.

Nah, that was gaslighting, through and through. Meredith has gotten gross, and Lisa continues to be Lisa which has been progressively gross. But Andy has a hard on for Meredith and her son, so she's safe.

I gotta admit, Trailer Park Tammy Sue, or "Tamra Grudge", had me giggling all night. She clapped back with a lot of good ammo, pointing out the hypocrisy of others. The way she was so dismissive of Shannon was hilarious. They are so done with each other, but Tamra has the quick wit to win an argument and clearly studied up before reunion time. Shannon was her usual flustered self after trying to be zen for the first 10 minutes. It was hilarious when Andy pointed out how Tamra brings up stuff from the past as well, and as she defended herself, she brought up stuff from the past. HA! At this point, I'm kinda "whatever" about the whole Katie situation. It's clear she won't return, and no matter how innocent or guilty she is about anything, she can never put up a strong stance in her arguments.

Judging from this cast photo, it looks like Dorit 5 procedures years ago.