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#401 should be November 1, 1988 I'm currently at episode #390 and stories are picking up: Margo/Clarke/Kristen is delicious to watch, Donna/Bill is touching despite the nude camp and Lt. Burke is looming over Stephanie's head. Fascinating enough is the fact that every 5th episode has a location shoot at the Bell Estate/Forrester Mansion which looks nice but as grand as later location shoots.

FINALLY... Nick Preston's butler RAMONE was played by Gary Moerke according to credits from #392. The actor does not seem to have an IMDb page so far.

Those years used to be quite widerspread on YT. I think it was all taken down and the uploaders did not bother again.

Something what struck me watching 1987 was that many characters which left quite a legacy or were brought back later on like Katie, Rocco or Bill Sr. TOTALLY get the shaft back then. They had some story but it was really wallflower-material to fill gaps. Especially, Bill & Margo felt like ROYALLY wasted.

Season 1 is really a mixed bag. It's NOT good by any standards. For the longtime viewer however, it is still precious, thanks to the likes of La Flannery and some iconic first encounters and set-ups because there is lots of groundwork for the show's main characters. Up until Clarke's arrival it is basically skip-able IMO. I wasn't too gripped by Caroline's rape for instance. Season 2 starts to pick up steam and is good soap. Greatness is not often found, yet the characters get more life (and useless characters like Katie are more or less dropped), the production values improve drastically (probably due to foreign licensing sales...) and suddenly there are remotes, hospital sets get nicer etc. The upload by AmySilence on YT is up to episode 409 right now. The Dutch Streaming Site is already in the 500s, though. And Sally Spectra should pop up around #420 or so. Therefore, there is quite a good reason to binge those classic B&B episodes. The picture quality alone makes it GREAT watching and even the weaker episodes are at least on par with 2019 soaps if not better. By 1989 B&B is REALLY watchable and begins to feel bold, beautiful and campy.

Does this work for you? Otherwise I will try yousendit or sth. else.

Wooohoo. Thank you! As for 1080 p picture quality - YouTube apparently changed their policy a while back, limiting us non-paying customers to 720p. 1080 p is now reserved for YouTubeRed users... I will check about episode 392!

Has anyone been able to download / save those two episodes from YT in decent quality??? All downloading sites I know off, fail with those two episodes and give error messages. Any way to trick them into allowing a download? 'cause I've been saving all of AmySilence's uploads and would hate to miss out on those two eps. # 397 and #398 ???

Some more names for your cast list... Or maybe you have them listed with the actor portraying them. If so, I'd appreciate any hint... 1988 Cynthia Driscoll, an important buyer from New York in October with lost of dialogue but no on-screen credit!? (Black) Lead Forrester Model Fawn had a lot of episodes and even some dialogue Gayle was another Forrester Creations assistant side by side with Trish in October Dr. Garrett, Ridge's first ER doctor after getting shot in September Dr. Marley as yet another doctor who popped around the hospital in October Ramon - Nick Preston's butler who for some reason never got proper billing!?

very cool

Problem is that Videoland is RTL Groups local streaming service and not one of the big US ones... there also might be local laws that make it easier to release such content in the Netherlands than in other countries. Still, it’s amazing that such high quality source material is sitting in the world and the Dutch are the only ones who get access to it. speaking of trivial observations: interestingly enough the writers strike material which lasted for quite a long time in 1988 had IMO absolutely zero impact on the storytelling. While I’m pretty sure that the outlines of Bill Bell were already in place in spring 1988 it was surprising how crisp the scripts were. One has to Inder who wrote these... On the other hand: as soon as the writing staff returned to the credits the first 10 episodes were REALLY bad. There were looong flashbacks and the writing was terrible. Basically everyone gabbed about Thorne and Caroline’s cancelled trip to Europe for the entire time. Apart from that and the sudden exit of Beth and Stephen I don’t think that much was altered due to the strike. Maybe your impressions while viewing will be different, though?

DC first episode should be in December 1988. AmySilence is about to upload September episodes soon, so it’s another 2-3 months until the big day of Sally‘s arrival.

Wooooohooo! This website is a dream come true. The crystal picture quality and most fo all the complete episode by episode nostalgia... Speaking of which: I'm currently watching #364 and am heavily surprised by the blink and you missed it location shoots. They had Brooke driving up to the Bell family mansion ah Forrester Mansion (which is a clip that was on YT before and used in flashbacks later on...), Brooke and Eric talking in the yard, Beth and Eric meeting in Marina Delray (?) and now Stephen and Storm had a talk outside the Logan house in the Valley which I had never heard of. I assume that the show started to REALLY take off internationally back then and that's why they amped the LA factor? 'cause these remotes were so short and pointless for the most part that you could have easily filmed them in the studio. And while the camera work was good, the sound quality was rather meh.

I have trouble to pinpoint it but I think this happened indeed. in 1999 or 2000 after Stephanie had a stroke...

My best guess is that they are "around" but not available on YouTube. The soap trader/video collector, where the last bunch of 1992/1993 episodes we were spoiled with on this board came from, sure has those episodes from Fall 1993. If the Dutch video streaming site continues to showcase classic B&B we might get to see these highlight shows in a mere 5 years. LOL EDIT: I just checked: Videoland.nl has reached March 1989 by now. episode 489 was just posted. 8 more episodes and they have reached season 3 which they will hopefully upload as well.

Nelson's exit was pretty abrupt. Sure the focus shifted to other characters around that like Ashley with Eileen Davidson's return, but Phyllis still had spark due the lovely Sandra Nelson. They were typical minor characters created by Bill Bell. On other shows they would have been under fives, at Y&R they got quite a lot to do even though they were mostly talk-tos. Tamra was Lauren's psychic (go figure - it was the 80s!) and Turk was Shawn's henchman. If you want to read more about the 1986 time frame in Genoa City, there are quite a lot recaps available: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069658/episodes?year=1986

I'm surprised that the show did not instantly drop Kristen&Storm after she had eloped with Clarke. By episode 340 Storm makes another play for Kristen... Not sure whether the chemistry is there or not, but I admire that Bill Bell kept running with Clarke because is definitely more valuable than Storm as a character and actor. Originally turned down as Ridge, then hired as day player part of Clarke, Dan McVicar kept hopping from one major story to another from 1988-1992 and he was sooo good.

Anyone who wants to see the "Angela" storyline should head over to AmySilence's YouTube playlist and catch up. 'cause it's hapening NOW. (the first) Dr. Powell is already there and within the 5 episodes or so we will get full CHEESY backstory and the first heartbreaking (yet strange) actual scenes with Judith Borne as Angela.

Exactly. What an unexpected sight - she looks pretty good.

A lot of the actors from the first season were not very polished or strong. Terri Ann Linn only survived as long as she did because Daniel McVicar was an unexpected instant success. As soon as he was absorbed into Sally's orbit and with Colleen Dion's arrival as Felicia who was a fierce actress, Kristen was completely unnecessary. Katie and Storm were never given a proper chance (or storyline for that matter) as characters so it's hard to say whether the actors were really that bland. We will also never know how much was altered from the original plan due to the writer's strike of 1988. Bill Bell was famous for writing meticulous long and detailed outlines (and very much ahead), yet is not credited on the 1988 episodes as soon as the strike material started. So maybe Katie or Storm were supposed to have some sort of story but I doubt it. Quick heads for the YouTube episodes of Amy Silence: the Angela story will kick off in 10 episodes... On a more trivial note as I was never expecting to get to see those pristine quality B&B episodes from 1988 including full credits: it is very interesting to see some random directors being involved with the show back then. Doug Rogers!? Bob Bowker!? https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1078924/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0736848/ It is evident that John Zak - after his successful directing gig at Y&R - became a regular director on B&B at the same time that Bill Glenn left and the show had only one regular director: Michael Stich - who at that time was still very young. There were LOADS of freelance directors hired or trial gigs happening from March-July 1988, it seems. This became really uncommon during the 1990s and onwards with the taping schedule getting tighter and soaps relying on a rather fixed set of contract directors. And the tenure of Dennis Steinmetz as producer (and occasional director) was also rather brief considering that the succeeding producers at B&B stayed for at least 5 years or until their respective retirement.

It was quickly established in December 1991 to allow Joanna Johnson to return as the failed Karen character: Karen was kidnapped as an infant (which Carioline apparently knew nothing about) so that's why she was not ever mentioned in 1987 onwards. Bonnie Roberts who was an aid to the kidnappers then took the child (when they wanted to get rid of it after a failed money exchange) and fled through the entire US, ending her un in Starlight (Texas) where she raised he girl as Faith Roberts and lived a simple life until Blake Hayes passed through town.

Time-line wise, Donna had Marcus BEFORE we met her in 1987... As for BIll, this was a major retcon. But not the first one with SPencer children. Both Karen and Bill Jr. were NEVER intended during these 1987/1988 episodes... EDIT: Brooke's "romance" with Dave was one of the key reasons why I always stood with Stephanie and Taylor that Brooke cannot be trusted and is nothing but a calculating gold digger. Contrary to you guys I also felt very uneasy by Brooke and Donna folowing the papers and then showing up at the hospital to socialise with Caroline. Talk about creepy! And while Bill Bell's talent is not to be disputed, it is clear that his wiring for most of the Logans except Brooke and Donnaleft a lot to be desired for. And we had those tideous episodes with a recap scene and the main scene (usually Ridge with Caroline and Stephanie or Thorne yapping abut it to another poor character) even in those days from time to time.

That was quick, @Marquise Hurry to YouTube 'cause it's ON in #306 and #307

Very cool! Thank you.

Circket returned in 1986 - as a contract player alongside Tricia Cast and Thom Bierdz. She was definitely heavily featured during summer of previous years because everyone at Jabot knew her. My guess is that 1983 is correct after all, even if it was just a dayplayer part as a Jabot Teen Model or extra in a Danny Ramalotti scene back then.