yrfan1983

That sounds juicy, but I think you're right that John never dated anyone older than him. Jerry Douglas was born in 1932. His older screen partner seems to be Marla Adams (Dina) who was born in 1938. While KT Stevens (Vanessa) was born in 1919. There was an ep, I think in late 1991, where Florence Webster had a fantasy of a dinner date with John Abbott at the Colonnade Room - dressed in glamorous clothes and dancing the night away. Too bad the writers didn't explore that more. John and Flo together would have driven Jill insane!

^ Thanks as always, @BoldRestless !

He was around to investigate Jill's shooting in '86

Patty had total amnesia of the entire shooting. I know she had some therapy sessions in the 2nd half of 1983... not sure if she ever did recall the shooting. There used to be YT scenes of Jack and Patty negotiating their divorce, and they both admitted to "making mistakes". Honestly, I have a feeling the story kinda petered out when Andrea Evans proved to be a "lesser Patty" than Lilibet Stern.

Yep... I think maybe Bill B had good intentions, to keep a character around on recurring, but then that robs the character of a proper goodbye. A perfect example is Marla Adams. She was taken off contract in fall '85, and was put to good recurring use in spring '86 during John and Jill's divorce. But then, poof - the mother of Jack, Ashley and Traci just disappeared.

Per available synopses, Stuart's last appearance was sometime in winter or spring of '83. His last appearances seemed focused on his newspaper running a mob expose. This was just posted at https://vintage70ssoaprecaps.tumblr.com/ : Week of February 14 - February 18, 1983 - Stu’s newspaper expose put pressure on Alex to arrest Paul. In this '83 compilation vid (https://youtu.be/86u8zMKhWhc ), full cast credits are listed at 52:55, and Stuart is still listed under contract. From the cast listed, I am guessing these credits are from spring '83. For Julianna, per the SOD synopses, Liz last made a "regular" appearance (before disappearing) in winter of 1985, when Jill was being blackmailed, and she roped Liz into scrounging up money, I think by pawning jewelry IIRC. Carl Williams did a police investigation of the "missing jewelry", and Liz was in the hotseat, but somehow it got resolved. Don't know if she was contract at that point or already recurring. Liz was not mentioned again in the synopses.

From reading the recaps, it seems that Jill and Kay had no interaction starting in winter '80 once Brenda D left. Maybe Bond G's Jill had one scene with Kay. Then, nothing until fall '82 during those scenes you mentioned, when Kay shows up at the Fosters' doorstep to stir things up for the newly-engaged Jill. There is one fabulous 10-second clip from right after John and Jill marry, where Deborah Adair's Jill is not so nice... where Jill tells Kay: "you can't hurt me now... I'm RICH!"

That is INSANE that she felt "confident and free"! I don't doubt that is what actually happened. But when I saw the ep from the previous week at the Paley Center - the climax of the Edward story - Nikki was seriously traumatized. She was sobbing - beside herself. She really thought she was going to die. A realistic story would have shown Nikki going through at least a cursory period of healing. Or - I can believe that she took to the stage at the Bayou as a way of "reclaiming her power"... but then we should really see some signs of PTSD from the whole Edward ordeal. I think this was just a case of Bill Bell wanting to move immediately to the next story. Another example of Bill Bell switching to a different story at breakneck speed... from '94: April Stevens' trial finally ends and she gets off with no jail time. Two episodes later: April and Heather are gone! Because Bill Bell was ready to send Paul and Cricket to Vietnam to find Keemo.

I love your in-depth recall of early '80 YR, @Broderick ! I am wondering - were you watching when Howard McMillan took over as Greg Foster, and if so, what was your impression of him?

Eve was Stuart's assistant and had designs on maneuvering Liz out of Stuart's life. So Eve was probably befriending Peggy to make inroads towards Stu.

This was just posted on the Daytime Royalty site! I wonder if Greg was played by Wings Hauser or Howard McMillan at this point. Week of August 17-21, 1981 Greg dated Peggy, then made excuses to April about avoiding her.

I think you're right - I was able to find one pic of Victoria as Janice Frame here, top left http://www.anotherworldhomepage.com/1janice.html Looks like the same person, with shorter hair

@ltm1997, you are the Vintage Y&R MVP!! Thank you so much!

Trying to figure out who that substitute Lorie is, I cross-referenced the SoapOperaCentral site page for Lorie Brooks with my YR 25th Anniversary book, and they both have the same substitute actresses listed: Lezlie Dalton 1976; (temporary replacement) Wesley Pfenning (temporary replacement) But I google-imaged both those ladies and they don’t look like the woman in the 1978 ep. So it’s still a mystery. Thank you so much @ltm1997 ! And @YRfan23 for the technical support I especially enjoyed the 1975 ep. Another showcase for the fantastic Janice L. Nice bookend to the 12/3/75 ep. She is a real star and a truly well-matched adversary for Lorie (unlike Victoria M, who is just not at the same level). I didn’t recognize the song Leslie was singing so I looked it up – it’s called “Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of my life” by The Free Design https://youtu.be/k6x9fI8JRd0 It was fun to see Lorie’s fantasies of receiving the applause. It reminded me of ’81 at the ball when Lorie’s entrance upstages Leslie. All the guys in their tuxes in both eps have those clown-ish gigantic bowties. I lol’d at 1:15 when the applause/cheering sound effect didn’t match what we were seeing on screen. Katherine is such a devilishly complex character at this point. You can’t help but root for her. Beau Kayzer was very dashing. I think this was around the time JC and BK were romantically involved. Didn’t the Allegro later become Gina’s? But it doesn’t look anything like Gina’s.

^ Thank you so much @BoldRestless ! These are both pivotal eps.

The scene at the penthouse (Julia's, I think) reintroducing the Brooks sisters to the viewers was included in the original airing, but it was cut from the re-airing on 12/30/16. So if someone only saw the 12/30/16 version - yes, the Brooks sisters appeared out of nowhere

Thank you @BoldRestless – I’ve never seen these Minisodes before. I’ve seen some clips but not others… like I’ve seen the May ’82 Hasselhoff clip, but the one with Snapper and Sally from ’81, in the Nikki stripping minisode, was a cool find. Love the background music when Chuckie walks in. The Cole/Victoria scene, with the horses and the rainstorm and all the drama, was epic! Jeanne C was amazing in those divorce scenes - I can see why Katherine later contested signing the papers, as she did indeed appear black-out drunk at the time. But I feel like every clip I’ve seen Donnelly Rhodes in as Phillip, he seems wooden. Which is surprising, as I remember him from later in the ’70s on the sitcom “Soap”, and he was hysterical.

Thank you, @BoldRestless! Lots of great viewing ahead.

Actually I might remember this... I saw the winter' 84 episode "Paul and Andy Rescue Nikki from Rick Daros" at the Paley Center. There was a scene with Traci and Amy at the college coffeehouse with a song playing in the background, and that song might have been "Yah Mo B There". It stood out to me because I was impressed that back in 1984, soaps had the budget to license and play actual songs by the original artists (as opposed to cover versions that are cheaper). If someone goes to Paley to watch this episode, they can confirm if I'm right

I don’t remember- but I have a similar question: the Wiki page for Kenny Loggins’ 1985 song Forever says “Some of its success on the charts can be attributed to its use in the soap opera, The Young and the Restless.” Anyone remember this? I’m guessing it might have been a Victor/Ashley love song

Great find - thanks!

So exciting!! Here's a preview of what we might expect to see, courtesy of the weekly recaps on the Daytime Royalty site. WEEK OF FEBRUARY 27 - MARCH 3, 1978 THE YOUNG & THE RESTLESS (12:00pm - 30 minutes - CBS) Derek crudely told Kay to forget the new salon and their marriage. Greg advised the marriage may not be annulled if it was consummated, even while drunk. Nancy was convinced she was making progress with Karen while Chris was convinced the child wants Chris to be her mother. Lance stayed to comfort Leslie after she walked out during a concert. An agent wanted to promote Lorie’s book. WEEK OF AUGUST 21 - AUGUST 25, 1978 THE YOUNG & THE RESTLESS (12:00pm - 30 minutes - CBS) Kay didn’t respond to paralysis tests and accused Derek and Brock of staying by her side out of pity. Stuart was distracted by thoughts of Jill. Leslie told Lucas to think of her baby as his. Larry warned Linda to stay away from their children. Casey worried that Nikki hates herself because of her VD.

haha... Violet, Klute and Decker all sound like people who would hang out with Nikki at the Bayou

Good find! None of those names ring a bell. I went and looked through all the SOD synopses from that time period, but none of those names popped up, so I guess they were all very minor characters. Very cool! For the YR Soaps/Serials book you have, what name/number is it? I'm surprised to see that the YR soap/serials cover stories as late as '80/'81! Here's #12 "Paradise Found", which has this description, which is definitely from Kay's story in late 1980: "Kay had cover to love the simple way of life on this lush, deserted island: no games, no pretenses, no pressures. Just days spent swimming and gathering tropical fruit...and nights spent in the powerful arms of Felipe. At last, Kay had found her own paradise." https://www.amazon.com/Paradise-Found-Young-Restless-12/dp/1557262519/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544925439&sr=8-1&keywords=young+and+the+restless+pioneer #13 "Passion's Pride" has this description, which would be the Victor/Michael/Julia triangle from the first half of 1981 ""What do you want?: Michael demanded. "I'll tell you what I want, man to man." Victor learned forward, a fierce intensity burning in his eyes. "I want my pride and dignity restored-- even if it costs you your life!" https://www.amazon.com/Passions-Pride-Young-Restless-13/dp/1557262527/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1544925762&sr=8-2&keywords=young+and+the+restless+pioneer And here is #14 "Free Spirit", which doesn't have a description, but from the cover image, it is clearly the beginning of Victor and Nikki from late 1981 https://www.amazon.com/Free-Spirit-Young-Restless-14/dp/1557262535/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1544925439&sr=8-6&keywords=young+and+the+restless+pioneer

I know, the book cover make it look like fanfic, but here's an explanation that it's based on the actual show... https://watercoolerjournal.com/the-innovative-the-ignored-a-critical-reflection-of-the-young-the-restless-transmedia-strategy/ "The Pioneer Communications series of books began publication in 1986, ten years later. Like the Bantam Books that came before, this second series of novellas offered consumers an expanded glimpse into past events. By then, The Young & the Restless had been on the air for thirteen years, and had aired approximately 2,470 hours of brand new, non-repeating storytelling. Numerous characters had come and gone, and, with such changes, the show’s core-families evolved (the Brooks and Fosters were phased out in favor of the Newmans and Abbotts). For many viewers, the various couplings and un- couplings that came with this evolution made it hard to keep up. For instance, audiences may have forgotten (or never known) that before the Nikki Newman character was firmly ensconced in a love-quadrangle with the show’s two leading men of the 1980s, she actually spent two years married into a different core-family (the Fosters). Columbia Pictures and Pioneer Communications sought to bridge this gap in the only way open to them in the pre-Internet days: print-media.