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So much of her persona has always seemed deeply eccentric. I find her and her husband's GL work very intricate and fascinating, but her strange backstory with her family even moreso. (And their equally florid, convoluted ATWT work also is wild - their touchstones, obsessions, recurring themes at both shows.) What a legend. RIP. I guess I should finally find a good episode of Santa Barbara to watch now. I've never known when or where to look.

What in the Windows?

Lord! Not their best ad.

Oh never mind. Those sucked. I meant the B&W, slideshow-esque ones from the late '90s/early 2000s, which I could've sworn also had some yellow.

I thought the yellow bumpers were classy. 😩

So did Martha Marceau just fade offscreen in the mid-70s, still in town but unseen like Bill a few years later? What little I've seen of Teri Keane on the show is very impressive.

Little Tate is like 15! How did he already catch a case?

I don't see a point in them promoting many of the current stories or cast either, but that's because almost all of it sucks lol.

We have longtime trolls whose posts are transparently crafted to give blanket contrarian opinions to whatever is being discussed in order to drive engagement. Guess who that reminds us of? Ignore and move on.

That's why it will never change.

I just don't see any point in spitballing about Jason. Steve will never agree to play Jason Q again and the show will never force him to. His looks have dramatically declined in the pandemic and his performance is as banal as it's been for many years. I'd simply kill him for good.

1/10.

I'll be frankly surprised if they go there again so soon. They could not end Jason/Sam fast enough after almost 20 years not long before he left, and Steve's Jason was quickly hitting up two new chicks in the same year shortly afterwards. This was very unusual for Jason. Something clearly happened with Steve and Kelly BTS. I do think the show focuses a lot on the hospital, frankly. It began moving back to the hospital and its staff as a central hub starting with the soft reset of the show in 2005, when they were in major crisis and brought back Kimberly McCullough (at Steve's suggestion!) and hired Jason Thompson for her. Everything followed from that, and it's only grown since. Today a lot of folks work at the hospital or around it on the show, and it's the mob elements of the show that frankly are out of place and feel extraneous and old-fashioned vs. the rest of the show - it's played out, and only still there through ossified loyalty to veteran actors like Burton and Maurice and their rapt fanbases.

The GL Vault has been a gift for a lot of this late '70s-early '80s period. The Christmas '80 scenes where they had what amounted to Elizabeth's final scenes (I don't think they were, but it was pretty much where her story seemed to tie off) where she talked with Jackie finally about giving her Phillip and leaving for Europe were impeccable; it was absolutely incredible work by Lezlie Dalton and Jackie #2 (Carrie Mowery?) even if it wasn't the same as not having Cindy Pickett. I always was fascinated with Dalton's sort of ethereal, gothic presence as Elizabeth back when old episodes used to first surface on WOST when I was in college - by then Elizabeth was someone never, ever referenced on the show that I can recall. I thought they should've tapped into and brought back Phillip's long-lost, tragic foster mother who'd raised him (and Jackie too, for that matter), especially as Phillip was circling the drain psychologically around that time. But it never happened.

It's giving Gavin de Becker's The Gift of Fear. Real afterschool GH-to-Oprah viewers know!

LMAO!!! does not faze me. We all knew it was coming someday. I'd still kill him off again.

I laughed out loud when I saw Sonny hit the nearest church again like Popeye's. C'mon, man, this one isn't worth it.

Definitely not yet lol. There's other names I can think of I'm sure, just none come immediately to mind. I suppose Jeff Branson is an option, but ehh.

If you think Roger Howarth could wear thin on you you don't want TSJ on this show, lol. Roger at least came back to ABC in the 2010s prepared to act, even if he can be limited or resort to corny OTT schtick. Trevor is also talented and can be very idiosyncratic, but he actively plays against and subverts almost any serious material after too long. It's trololol all the way down.

LOL I honestly don't know. When I first dreamed that idea up Cam was doing well early on in his run with the beard and all the action and stuff with Monica, etc. Then it all went to shît. You can plug any number of down on their luck name actors or returned soap vets into that role though, to fill a Jason-shaped hole in the canvas - without doing what the show ended up doing with CM, which is literally having him be nothing other than Brand X Jason whose whole personality is hosting Good Morning America on the weekends. I'll have to think on it. (Not Trevor St. John - for one thing he seems to be doing reasonably well at Y&R, for another he's already bored and I know what happens when he gets bored and starts trolling audiences nationwide, he plays a good snide schemer but is incapable of playing an earnest heroic character.)

No! I do not! Leave me alone, you demon! But he would be paired with Gina's Sarah. 🤐

LOL it's not a big deal to disagree. I just think it's a ripe character for that age range with good connections that has no real center and can be made into anything we like with a name actor. I get why other people have no interest given the current situation.

Oh, so very early indeed. I didn't know that, I thought it was under Marland. She very clearly still is lusting after him late that year and well into 1986.

The Guza I scenes with Luke, Lucky, Bobbie, Carly, Sonny, etc. could've very easily aired in primetime. I'm thinking especially about Luke and Bobbie's confrontation over him knowing about Carly, when they went deep into their past. But yes, it was all often very good. And a lot of those quality writers lingered, and still put out assorted quality dialogue or scenes despite increasing systemic rot, all the way until 2011. Then they were almost all flushed by Frank and Ron.

His taste and mindset have not really evolved past 2007-2008 IMO. Hence the many attempts at remaking Starr and Cole from OLTL on GH with Joss and [White Guy Here]. I don't think the show is as drama-averse as Y&R, but I do think it often avoids a lot of things for fear of rocking the boat with what it believes is a sedentary, senior or white audience. Which is part of why IMO we see Nina routinely humiliated for being with Sonny in Carly's place, not that I care about Nina. And part of why Spencer and Trina have had such an up and down build.