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Oh, that's right. My mistake.

Michael, Eric and Olivia are pretty involved in the early years too. I would recommend watching from the beginning. The boys drift away for a time or are recurring players, then come back then drift away again I think. Olivia is also very important to both Abby and Val. I do think it's too bad about Steve Shaw (Eric) - he's very underrated IMO. And yes, I'm hooked. I look forward to your ongoing journey as you may notice I have been spamming this thread with my episodic insights from the beginning over the last several years! There's always room for more! I think S6 is the peak of the Gary/Abby relationship as far as I've seen. I am only up to ep 5 of Season 7 myself via other means, and will be resuming the watch tonight live on FreeVee. Season 7 is the fascinating year where Lorimar bizarrely swapped the creative teams of Dallas and KL - KL's apex creative team of Peter Dunne and co. from Seasons 4-6 moved to Dallas, and David Paulsen from Dallas came to Knots. The sensibility of the two shows and focus on men and plot (Dallas) vs. women and character (Knots) is very different, and so far I have only seen a few of the signs of it at Knots. I'm eager to dig into it. Paulsen was out at the end of S7 too. Peter Dunne's season of Dallas so far has had some interesting changes for me that I've found very worthwhile and fresh in a Knots fashion, but I know it supposedly tanks quickly - its flop (and Patrick Duffy's absence, as he'd been killed at the end of the previous year) is what led to it being erased from continuity as 'the dream season' when the OG Dallas showrunners return along with Bobby Ewing in the shower the following year. I thought Ben knew they were Gary's, but I could be wrong.

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Non-paywalled here. Hillary is speaking on Tuesday, I believe.

Karen's sons (we don't talk about her daughter) are deeply underrated to me, and do have character and stories of their own, particularly in the early seasons and I believe also further down the road. As a newbie I understand that they apparently never quite came into their own as major players despite considerable attempts to beef them up, which is too bad, but I still think they're great. The kids in the various families, with a few exceptions, are actually essential to the show and fleshing out the lead characters - Abby's daughter Olivia has unique and evolving relationships with her, Val and Gary that date back even to story together without her mother in Season 2 when she was very small - and I think that's so important for this kind of show. And yes, KL and Dallas are night and day to me, as evidenced by my many repetitive critiques of Dallas in this and its own thread since I began watching both.

CNN has another deep dive as well. Harris was smart to ignore this advice.

Yet another moment of clarity with the GOP's own Frank Luntz:

Heads up:

Exciting to see Knots trending on Twitter.

Obviously I know such apartments exist, but I'll admit I never quite understood the whole garage situation with the grandparents. I just imagine them driving the family Buick into Nancy one night while she's sleeping.

That was about 6-7 years later. And it did pass, and she ended up getting much better treatment creatively before the end. I think even in the worst of times Nora fared far better than Margo Hughes in the '90s and onward. Margo became a dour afterthought; except for a grim period in the Higley era, Nora was never really that.

Hillary made the right choice by a country mile.

Wonderful news. Marc Elias is the best.

Let us know what you think! Discovering it over the last few years has been an experience for me. I'll be diving back into Season 7 tomorrow night, though I'll only be able to watch a few eps since we can't record or watch on demand yet.

Yep! I was just so tired of the same old 'this person stole X's identity!' cliche that especially overpopulated (appropriately enough) primetime soaps in that era and the late '90s. I believe Pratt even did something like it with Peter Burns or another character on Melrose Place. It's always the same: Nothing really changes about the core character but it is needless complication. Like, the secret of Carly/Charlotte and Caroline? Who cares?

Whereas despite the very annoying surrogacy story Mansi is the first person to make me give a shít about Kristina in years. I'm just glad it's over. As for Stephanie, I remain a Shayna Rose race car drivin' truther.

Yikes!

A few random reaction channels don't count for much. The fact remains she's been one of the few longtime fan favorites for decades in a franchise not exactly known for compelling characters. I'm not going to pretend her work on GL was compelling, but it's a different medium and a different type of role. Nobody was exactly checking for Scott Reeves, Kevin Spirtas or Lar Park Lincoln (among others) in their slasher roles either.

This is news to me - I had no idea the season cliffhanger was supposed to be Gary's fake death at the hands of Wolfbridge.

It doesn't surprise me! They both have chemistry with lots of people. But no that should not happen, lol.

I don't think Reese was ever going to work. On paper it was nonsense as is. It was just another attempt by the show to prop up with Sonny with an overhyped, prefabricated female lead ever since S&C imploded onscreen and off and Carly/Lorenzo took off more than they'd intended. They spent several years after that trying to keep Sonny romantically relevant, and nothing clicked til Kate Howard (RIP). I remember the Carly backstory and it was a slapdash retcon that made no sense. I do think Wuhrer's hiring was definitely a Pratt thing. She had a background in the Spelling soaps and the cheap imprimatur of '90s-2000s cable, etc. I do hope Bransford is well. I will say it cracks me up that Kelly Monaco still complains about their catfight at Jake's to this day lol. She says JB really went for her, and while the recast never worked for me I'll admit it was a very OG Carly throwdown when I watched it live.