Vee

With all due respect, lady, I've seen your terrible skills at predicting imaginary fanfic soap opera storylines for characters you despise and I'll pass. Thanks for stopping by the Politics Thread.

Neither Obama nor Pelosi's statements endorse Harris, which disappoints me.

This is going to be a hard fight, but as I said the other night: I saw Trump 2024 on that stage the other night. I defy anyone to tell me that man, not the man from eight or even four years ago, can't be beaten by Kamala Harris. It can happen. But it will require the whole Party. Not people leaking to Politico and Semafor every hour on the hour.

Essential that he do this, and I'm very glad he did. How Joe has been treated was shameful, disgusting and unnecessary, and it will likely be a dark story covered extensively in the days and years to come. But I'm just glad the public shivving is over.

Many of us do not have the luxury of dying, so all due respect to Aaron Sorkin's deranged op-ed, it's time for the party to get behind Kamala.

Yes, I think that's a lot of people's opinions then and now. I remember some of it, it was when I was gripped by the show too.

I really loved the style and filming technique of The City both then and now. I think the attitude was right and the locale, even the found family aspect. I liked a lot of the cast. But the stories were not there and that was a key issue. I think narratively they were caught in a weird limbo between trying to emulate an era of then-contemporary primetime urban drama (and a period where the bohemian mystique of '90s NYC was at a new height) that often could operate on style and vibes over straight narrative at night vs. just being a conventional soap opera. And they were not equipped with a creative staff that could straddle that divide well.

Wow. I don't remember anything about Gillian being positioned towards Tad or Edmund. Who wrote that? Didn't Megan come back in with Camille Hawkins for Tad?

I had no idea Esta had such a rough start. I'd like to hear more about that and what it entailed story-wise. I just remember being enchanted with her when I drifted back to the show - her look and mannerisms were so much like Bjórk, a favorite of mine then and now. I'll always wonder what went down with her appearance at the end of the network run in 2011. After such hype about her return she only appeared for a couple mins with almost no dialogue, whereas I believe she, Josh Duhamel and others (maybe Alexa Havins) may have filmed more for the original non-cliffhanger ending. Was she intended to get a resurrection of Gillian and HEA with Ryan just like I think Leo and Greenlee were?

IMO this is where the online left come in and are not as big a factor as they pretend to be, where in that very small world Mayor Pete is a CIA asset and the Great Satan. I think a lot of people IRL do like him (more than Kamala at times tbh), but I just don't think you can put a gay man over yet in this climate.

Josh Kelly gushes about Jane Elliot.

Any other year or era than right now, Pete would be a great VP pick for Harris.

Very sad if true. AMC fans never forgot her.

I didn't look as closely at the rest of this list. It's so much worse! It feels like an SNL sketch.

This is the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time, and most likely/hopefully is a trial balloon from a very clear outlier group (two randos, one being a venture capitalist) that goes nowhere. Oprah, MrBeast and Zendaya. Katie bar the door. Tim McGraw, Common and Yo-Yo Ma? Lin-Manuel Miranda, Henry Louis Gates and Doris Kearns Goodwin?? Condi Rice and McChrystal? Ben Sasse???

Wild. I hadn't seen her since pre-Code Hollywood.

Good luck with this.

The gossipy stories get worse and worse, I suspect many are overblown and I am not going to rehash them all. I will simply say that if, as reported, Pelosi or anyone else high up in the apparatus think that an open convention or 'blitz primary' is an option going forward they are far stupider than I thought. AFAIC if neither Biden nor Harris is the nominee we all might as well start making intercontinental flight plans now. Things admittedly change by the moment, but atm I think it is more likely than not that Joe goes. I think the way he has been treated by the party and the way this whole thing has been done is disgraceful and shameful. I think he is competent and able to serve. But the fact is that being holed up in Rehoboth coughing up a lung in your 80s, cursing the fates and (allegedly) grumbling about how Obama and Pelosi are Judases is not a good look for anyone. The intra-party situation is not recoverable from what I have seen, thanks to the behavior of so many on the inside. By the same token I feel both Joe and his people have mishandled a lot of this all month long before now. I understand why the resolution runs so deep. I think Joe is deeply haunted by the fact that Obama (again, allegedly) asked him to stand aside so Clinton could run in '16 against Trump. I think this was a profound miscalculation by the Dems. I think Joe believes if he had run he'd have won, and all this misery could've been avoided. And I now think he's right. But this situation is untenable. I suspect a lot of ink will be spilled in days and years to come about how unfair this whole backchannel op was (in addition to the WH's own mistakes), but it's happened. None of this had to happen or should've happened this way but it is where we are now. We can't change it and neither can anyone else. Something has to be done to cauterize this situation, hard and fast, and then it will have to be Harris IMO. I saw Trump onstage the other night. Everyone did. Against him, now, not in 2016 or maybe even in 2020, Kamala can win. Joe can win too IMO, but I fear he has too many disadvantages against him both inside the party and outside in the media to continue. So if this is going to happen it's got to happen now. But one way or another everyone has to cut the bullshít and stop going by the wishboard in some rich donor's office (looking at you, coked-up studio execs withholding cash) and move forward with Kamala. Now. Nothing else is an option or ever will be.

It's giving flopsweat. I'd ignore it (as I have for years). I think GR is a talented guy and on paper the idea of a venal gay villain is great and long overdue for daytime. I think going there with a regular on the show, played by an out gay actor, is a bold idea and also overdue. But Ron doesn't understand or at least accept any moderation or dimension for his favored characters, and Leo is at the top. Leo became his kind of avatar - all the hot guys or good characters have to learn to accept him, or sleep with him or both. That's not how you put that kind of character over, by making everyone else subjugated to them.

Oh wow, thanks for this. I've always wanted to see more of this heyday.

I think we can win, but we can't do it without either Biden or Harris, or both. Passing both over means the base is gone for this cycle, and the party will have earned it.

He was supposedly among the several folks who went to him saying the numbers were bad and he should step away. I don't believe that didn't happen. Jeffries is a politician and this is another day of the week, so he can easily be doing both. Meanwhile:

Who knows? It could've been any number of things. The Julian story, while I didn't love it, had not gone off the rails by then. The dagger/murder attempt thing (designed to write him out) didn't happen til 2016 IIRC after Ron was gone.