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I honestly would say this is Dee's best work (I do want to make a plastic surgery joke here but will refrain). The aftermath was chilling and her breaking down on the stand telling Don she was raped is probably the best Marlena scene ever as far as acting. My love for Marlena rivals my love for Brenda Barrett, but I do think at times Dee was underrated. I think her OTT portrayal of Marlena in the last 25 years underscores the fact she does have actual ability.

I am not sure if it made the most sense for Hope to be a cop, but she showed a desire to be one early on. I definitely don't think she should have been the head of police, but I thought the overall idea of Hope as a cop worked. Obviously, KA is beautiful, but it never made sense for her to be a supermodel. I think the show was just jumping on that 90's train were 1 character had to be a model on the show. My point with Billie was she showed a lot of passion for her cosmetics work. She had that little kiosk in the town square to sell the face cream she made and was so excited when Alice gave her money. There was never a clear trajectory for her to become a cop after she built Countess Willemia from scratch(I have no idea how to spell this so bare with me lol). I didn't mind Billie as a slinky spy in Beyond Salem, but it doesn't seem like the most natural progression for the character. It's not Carrie changing careers 1000 times, but it just feels 'weird' for Billie, who I think it's just naturally more glamourous and into fashion and cosmetics.

I didn't mean it that way? 99% of the women on soaps are beautiful. Hope is a cop and stunning, but it worked for her character fine. Billie played by LR invented cosmetics. That was her passion. It's weird she changed careers so wildly and the show stuck her in an awful, unflattering uniform. I am not saying every woman on soaps should do fashion or sit at home waiting for her prince charming lol, but it makes no sense with what we knew about Billie. Just my opinion. YMMV.🤷‍♀️

Outside of being a rapist, Luke wasn't hot. TG is great. Luke is iconic. But Kin Shriner is so much hotter and also an obvious choice on paper. A fairly nice, handsome young lawyer that loves you or a man that raped you and works for the disco/mob. I know in GH land mobsters are hot, but Laura is kind of dumb on that.

It is so weird that Dougie was never brought back. It's Hope's brother. It's not like story wouldn't be there. I always thought it was weird they never brought Julie's brother Steve back either. The show was always oddly dropping the ball on Hortons, but found dead Georgia suitable to bring back lol (I like Chelsea, but really?)

You know Albany does sound about right actually. I think any vaguely populated upstate New York town works. It's not like Lake Placid, but Albany, Rochester, Buffalo all fit the bill. I don't think it's like Salem USA that grew into a more "populated" town throughout the years. I always thought PC was a medium sized city.

If the show didn't actively name check Rochester I would have assumed that's basically what Port Charles was. I don't get small town vibes from it at all just due to the major hospitals, airports, college, trade, etc. they have there.

She was just weirdly boxed in with Bo as his other love. The show was able to transition Kristen elsewhere, so I am not sure why they couldn't do it with Billie. I guess they did have a sizable fanbase and she was always used as a foil for Bo/Hope. The writers just never got Billie after LR's initial run.

LR was fabulous as Billie, but I don't think anyone could make her stay. She was super popular. She beat my queen Vanessa for best newcomer at the SOD awards. She clearly had other offers and if we have learned anything from RHOBH, Lisa Rinna hustles lol. It's weird they kept trying to pair Billie with other halves of supercouples like Roman, Patch, even vaguely Jack. KA got that hottie VW as Nicki Alamain, but shared him with Kate and slept with her daughters boyfriend lol. I just don't think they ever gave Billie a fair shot with a viable love interest, but it may have been more a recast issue than a Billie issue.

Yes! It worked well with the Hattie story. Andrea Hall is less refined than Deidre in mannerisms and as I think @beebs pointed out, she can't really act and misses her lines constantly. It worked for that story and it's a shame it went nowhere because it had potential. I thought RKK's Bo and LR's Billie were fire. Loved them (secretly more than Bo/Hope, but I don't like Hope that much). It's weird they really never tried Billie with anyone else.

🤣She's fake killing Tony/Andre here. Although I do think Marlena is awesome enough to perform her own botox on herself. They look like siblings not even twins. And they don't even have the same mannerisms. Like someone pointed out, their voices are different and it's true. Don's an idiot.

I understand most people hate LR because of Housewives, but she has a rocking body and it was the silliest thing to hide her in a uniform. Also, I have never been sold on Billie as a cop/ISA agent. A cosmetics creator? Sure, but not a cop or stealthy spy. I honestly do love LR as Billie and think she was great in Beyond Salem. 🤷‍♀️ I was bored. Marlena's evolution into ugly, boxy blazers is more exciting than 95% of the show. Her plastic surgery is something to be studied.

Listen, most days I wish Sami was successful in her scheme to give Belle away. Or hope the Belle we know now is the wrong child and the real Belle Black is out there and much cooler, but their ages are really silly these days. I think everyone knows I am not Kirsten Storms #1 fan, but she looks and reads much younger than MM and Ali Sweeney even with her struggles the last few years. I love that they still reference the affair, but I don't know how you can look at Belle and Sami and hear about the kidnapping with a straight face.

I get your point. I guess I should have said I can't bring myself to care 😂. Joss/Cam do have a right to be upset. It's just not the end of the world they are making it out to be. It's a sex tape between two adults in a committed relationship. It's embarrassing, but it's not overly raunchy or dirty (I don't think lol). I think PC is at least a medium size town. Any town with an international airport and college isn't small lol. I always assumed it was similar in size to Buffalo/Rochester.

If there's a version out there that's not behind a pay wall I am in. It's like 5 bucks to "rent" and although it's an iconic piece of work, I am not sure even I feel comfortable paying to watch it.😂

nope chandler stanning doesn't replace this.......................

Nope. This thread is reserved for Will's ultimate FAG HAG. Marlena

Those twins really, truly don't look alike but Marlena was rocking the boxy blazer in the 70's as well. Don's confused look is hilarious. It's like [!@#$%^&*] there's two of them? Dee Hall is literally a gorgeous woman. So beautiful

Marlena's looks are very important lol. This thread should obviously go through them year by year.😂 My life just changed by learning DH had a soft lense focus through the 90's .

Agree about the facial work for sure. Deidre looks very natural as opposed to other actresses in her age range. I think Susan is just super tiny and Deidre isn't fat or anything but more normal sized and the same things would not look good on her. The butch look is awful, but I think it's a self conscious thing. Look how tiny DH was 10 years ago compared to now. I mean, same, I was much tinier 10 years ago as well, but I do think she feels the need to cover up more now. And, listen, at 75 I would do whatever the [!@#$%^&*] I wanted too. I just don't think it's the most flattering, but John's still into it so whatever I guess lol. Deidre is just a very classic icy, blonde, old school beauty and she doesn't work into that. I mean she's older than my grandma, but she seems to want to go boxy and butch with her clothing choice, while always wearing high heels.

I hate Deidre's blazers and pleather jackets and I think she can pull of dresses, but it may be a vanity thing with her skin or something because she has always had some sun damage. Deidre is tall- 5'7" but Suzanne is listed as the same height on the internet and the Rockette's have a height standard, so I think that's approximately right. I think Kate dresses so young, but it sorta works and she does have a lot of sex appeal. I never have thought DH or SZ exuded that but could with specific screen partners. I mean the fact Marlena had sex on a conference table makes me think she is down and Maggie got hers as well lol. John/Marlena were fire hot in their day, although I don't think Marlena exudes that sexuality the way that Kate does, but it is character specific. Kate has a more slinky, I have been through it all way of acting. I don't think Kayla, Kim, Jen, Adrienne, Melissa, Belle, Sami, etc. exude hotness either but they found the right pairing to make them sexy. I would say someone like LR's Billie, CC's Carly, and ED's Kristen exuded sexiness. I don't even think KA's Hope did. She was gorgeous but sort of cold.

Lol! I need a soft focus lense for my mirrors. DH still looks great. Her face is fabulous still. Her work is Lucci level, but I do think the wardrobe she chooses ages her more than anything physical. I really don't think that matters much anymore though. She definitely still projects younger than Julie/Maggie, not by much, but I can buy she can fight of the devil. That being said, I think LK projects way, way younger than her age and I hate her wardrobe but if someone told me Kate was 55* I would believe it. *I am also the worst at telling peoples ages. If you told me Deidre was 60 I would totally believe that too.

I didn't think I was imagining it, but thanks for the confirmation lol. My best friend and I will joke and say let's "Marlena glaze" this issue for a second if we don't want to talk about something or something silly happens. It's said with love-she looks fabulous. I just think in the 90's and early 2000's John did look younger than Marlena and that was the show's way of dealing with it. Now, I think John looks older lol. I really can't even recall a Brady/Will scene ever lol.

Her work is good. You can look at her twin to see the aging process. They also used to have a foggy glaze over the lense when they shot her in the 90's and early 2000's-at least in my mind. DH looked like she had no wrinkles lol I have no problem with them being gay superheroes, but something else should have brought them to town. And then they fell into the Craig stuff. Are Brady and Will even close? I can't remember them ever really having meaningful scenes. But Brady moves in and out of being a Kiriakis and Black/Brady all the time, so it's hard to say.

I have said that all along. It's weird. Do they care about Chloe/Craig that much? But when you look at how badly Leo did Sonny/Will wrong it can vaguely make sense that they are out for revenge-not so much for Craig. I DO NOT believe Will would miss Marlena's exorcism though because they are so close.