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Numbers are based on Live+Same Day ratings

Ratings for the week June 22-26, 2009

(Compared to Last Week/Compared to Last Year)

Total Viewers
1. Y&R 4,977,000 (+208,000/+75,000)
2. B&B 3,217,000 (+75,000/-277,000)
3. DAYS 2,847,000 (+257,000/+275,000)
4. OLTL 2,412,000 (-122,000/-179,000)
5. GH 2,391,000 (-34,000/-411,000)
6. AMC 2,286,000 (-143,000/-222,000)
7. ATWT 2,165,000 (-67,000/-407,000) <--------- new low (Previous low: 2,209,000 for June 8-12, 2009)
8. GL 1,873,000 (+51,000/-239,000)


HH
1. Y&R 3.5/11 (+.1/-.1)
2. B&B 2.3/7 (same/-.2)
3. DAYS 2.1/6 (+.1/+.2)
4. OLTL 1.8/6 (same/-.2) <------ ties low (Last time: 1.8/6 for June 15-19, 2009)
5. AMC 1.7/5 (-.1/-.2) <-------- new low (Previous low: 1.8/6 for June 15-19, 2009)
5. GH 1.7/5 (-.1/-.4) <--------- new low (Previous low: 1.8/5 for June 15-19, 2009)
7. ATWT 1.6/5 (same/-.3) <------ ties low (Last time: 1.6/5 for June 15-19, 2009)
8. GL 1.4/4 (+.1/-.1)


Women 18-49 Viewers
1. Y&R 1,069,000 (+46,000/+45,000)
2. DAYS 831,000 (+77,000/+82,000)
3. GH 751,000 (-3,000/-234,000)
4. B&B 706,000 (+67,000/-73,000)
5. OLTL 698,000 (-51,000/-161,000)
6. AMC 623,000 (-45,000/-149,000)
7. ATWT 465,000 (-35,000/-175,000)
8. GL 402,000 (+2,000/-162,000)


Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 1.6/11 (+.1/same)
2. DAYS 1.3/8 (+.2/+.2)
3. GH 1.1/7 (same/-.4) <-------- ties low (Last time: 1.1/7 for June 15-19, 2009)
3. OLTL 1.1/7 (same/-.2)
3. B&B 1.1/7 (+.1/-.1)
6. AMC 0.9/6 (-.1/-.3) <--------- new low (Previous low: 1.0/6 for June 15-19, 2009)
7. ATWT 0.7/4 (-.1/-.3) <-------- ties low (Last time: 0.7/5 for June 8-12, 2009)
8. GL 0.6/4 (same/-.3) <--------- ties low (Last time: 0.6/4 for June 15-19, 2009)


Girls 12-17 Viewers
1. Y&R 61,000 (+9,000/+10,000)
2. OLTL 55,000 (-15,000/-11,000)
3. GH 47,000 (-14,000/+5,000)
4. B&B 44,000 (+8,000/+18,000)
5. DAYS 40,000 (-3,000/-16,000)
6. GL 34,000 (same/+7,000)
7. ATWT 31,000 (-6,000/-13,000)
8. AMC 28,000 (-6,000/-12,000)


Women 18-34 Rating
1. DAYS 1.0/6 (+.1/same)
2. Y&R 0.9/6 (-.1/+.1)
3. GH 0.8/5 (same/-.4)
3. OLTL 0.8/5 (same/-.2)
5. AMC 0.7/4 (same/-.1)
6. B&B 0.5/3 (-.1/-.2)
7. ATWT 0.3/2 (-.2/-.3) <--------- new low (Previous low: 0.4/3 for June 8-12, 2009)
8. GL 0.2/1 (-.1/-.2) <----------- new low (Previous low: 0.3/2 for June 15-19, 2009)


Men 18+ Viewers
1. Y&R 1,061,000 (-4,000/-130,000)
2. B&B 642,000 (+9,000/-118,000)
3. DAYS 554,000 (+96,000/-7,000)
4. AMC 415,000 (-74,000/+22,000)
5. ATWT 407,000 (+4,000/-137,000)
6. GH 385,000 (-23,000/-79,000)
7. GL 380,000 (+32,000/-78,000)
8. OLTL 373,000 (-86,000/same)

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[B]Day-To-Day Ratings - HH/Total Viewers[/B]

[B]AMC[/B]
Monday: 1.8/2,526,000
Tuesday: 1.7/2,271,000 (President Obama pre-emption; only aired for 31 min on the east coast)
Wednesday: 1.7/2,256,000
Thursday: 1.6/2,139,000
Friday: 1.6/2,232,000

[B]ATWT[/B]
Monday: 1.6/2,327,000
Tuesday: 1.5/2,038,000
Wednesday: 1.7/2,328,000
Thursday: 1.6/2,162,000
Friday: 1.6/1,970,000

[B]B&B[/B]
Monday: 2.4/3,444,000
Tuesday: 2.1/2,909,000
Wednesday: 2.4/3,263,000
Thursday: 2.4/3,290,000
Friday: 2.4/3,181,000

[B]DAYS[/B]
Monday: 1.9/2,569,000 (did not count: Golf pre-emptions; only aired for 21 mins on the east coast)
Tuesday: 1.9/2,556,000 (President Obama pre-emption; only aired for 31 mins on the east coast)
Wednesday: 2.1/2,984,000
Thursday: 2.0/2,815,000
Friday: 2.1/2,891,000

[B]GH[/B]
Monday: 1.7/2,424,000
Tuesday: 1.9/2,517,000
Wednesday: 1.8/2,459,000
Thursday: 1.7/2,237,000)
Friday: 1.7/2,319,000)

[B]GL[/B]
Monday: 1.3/1,856,000
Tuesday: 1.3/1,676,000
Wednesday: 1.5/2,138,000
Thursday: 1.3/1,843,000
Friday: 1.4/1,853,000

[B]OLTL[/B]
Monday: 1.8/2,508,000
Tuesday: 1.8/2,415,000
Wednesday: 1.7/2,358,000
Thursday: 1.7/2,302,000
Friday: 1.8/2,476,000

[B]Y&R[/B]
Monday: 3.4/4,858,000
Tuesday: 1.9/2,664,000 (President Obama pre-emption; only aired for 1 min on the east coast)
Wednesday: 3.5/5,041,000
Thursday: 3.5/4,927,000
Friday: 3.6/5,120,000

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For the SEASON September 22, 2008 through June 28, 2009

HH
1. Y&R 3.8
2. B&B 2.6
3. DAYS 2.2
3. GH 2.2
5. AMC 2.0
5. ATWT 2.0
5. OLTL 2.0
8. GL 1.6

Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 1.8
2. DAYS 1.5
2. GH 1.5
4. OLTL 1.2
4. B&B 1.2
4. AMC 1.2
7. ATWT 1.0
8. GL 0.8

[SteveFrame]

Well if McT ever comes back there are many who won't even stick around to give her a chance, and I am one of them.

The woman should never write again.

[Angela]

She's AMC's JER in a way. It would be suicide to keep Pratt in this job if he can't get over 2.5 million consistently say by the end of summer (and that's probably too long a stretch to let him coast on the drop - we're heading to month 4 of the downward trend). McTavish comes to mind as somebody they may grab back in desperation. Love or hate her, the woman could do stories to pump up the ratings out of nowhere (and make it drop too - but then she could twist something up and it would zoom-up) which is kind of what they need. They need to be able to fake something for sweeps (ad rate periods). I do wonder though, at this point will anything really work for these soaps (save Y&R and DAYS) - including the "old standards." And all most of these writers end up doing is more damage to the genre ultimately (they push the viewers who would have remained loyal away with what ends up beign egotistical writing and they aren't able to keep their "side of the road" viewers). JER, McT, Pratt, B&E, Guza, etc. They don't make them like they used to.

[CSF]

Frons should ask Lorraine Broderick to come in and fix All My Children. If there is someone who could save the show, it's her. If Wisner Washam isn't part of the industry anymore, I like to believe that he and Broderick would make a good pair. They have history together with AMC.

[Angela]

I wish I believed there was a chance ABCD/Frons would hire the likes of the Labines, Broderick and her old writing partner (LB, with the partner, pre-McTavish's first reign - brilliant; I wasn't a fan of 1996 on), or executive producers that are more than figure heads (led by the HW or Frons). I don't see it happening.

[Zendall Fan]

I agree, Frons wants "yes men(or women)" writing for his soaps

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Well if McT ever comes back there are many who won't even stick around to give her a chance, and I am one of them.

The woman should never write again.

Meh hardly, she's bad, but she's not that bad.

Now Pratt, he should never write a soap again, he's not bad in primetime, soap writing is not his forte

[SteveFrame]

Angela, on 07 July 2009 - 11:54 AM, said:

She's AMC's JER in a way. It would be suicide to keep Pratt in this job if he can't get over 2.5 million consistently say by the end of summer (and that's probably too long a stretch to let him coast on the drop - we're heading to month 4 of the downward trend). McTavish comes to mind as somebody they may grab back in desperation. Love or hate her, the woman could do stories to pump up the ratings out of nowhere (and make it drop too - but then she could twist something up and it would zoom-up) which is kind of what they need. They need to be able to fake something for sweeps (ad rate periods). I do wonder though, at this point will anything really work for these soaps (save Y&R and DAYS) - including the "old standards." And all most of these writers end up doing is more damage to the genre ultimately (they push the viewers who would have remained loyal away with what ends up beign egotistical writing and they aren't able to keep their "side of the road" viewers). JER, McT, Pratt, B&E, Guza, etc. They don't make them like they used to.

And we all know how well bringing JER back turned out for Days.

I don't understand this new way of thinking. Bring back someone to a show who is the main reason for it being in the shape it is in.

I am not saying keep Pratt but why compound one big mistake with another even bigger mistake. Two mistakes don't make it right.

[Ann_SS]

I don't really think that changing headwriters or EPs will make much of a difference at this late stage, but recycling the old failures is definitely not the way to go.

I actually do not find Pratt that bad at AMC.

This post has been edited by Ann_SS: 07 July 2009 - 12:36 PM

[LeClerc]

I'd probably be fine with McTavish returning one last time (although her 1998 stint showed that she doesn't always start off with a bang. Her big return story then was the Camille Hawkins fiasco). But, as someone already mentioned, it's highly unlikely they would let Pratt go and continue to pay his expensive contract through next June, which presumably is the next time they could get rid of him.

[SteveFrame]

Well I would rather see them cancel AMC than let McT have a chance to ruin more about it.

AMC doesn't deserve that.

[CSF]

SteveFrame, on 07 July 2009 - 04:47 PM, said:

Well I would rather see them cancel AMC than let McT have a chance to ruin more about it.

AMC doesn't deserve that.

I agree with that 100% Letting McTavish return is like giving a pyromaniac matches and lighter fluid.

[LeslieBauer]

CSF, on 07 July 2009 - 05:21 PM, said:

I agree with that 100% Letting McTavish return is like giving a pyromaniac matches and lighter fluid.

Agree. Been there, done that. Jill Lorie Hurst should be hired pronto for AMC.

[CarlD2]

Lorraine Broderick did well in 1995 but AMC 1996 and 1997 were increasingly poor, especially 1997 (Erica the kidnapper, Dimitri ruined for Maria/Edmund, the pregnancy Maria didn't know about for 5 months, all the Brooke stories, especially the sick decision to make Jim Thomasen into Laura's child pornographer, Skye ruined, the boring teen scene, Hayley raped by Tanner, the Martinication of Liza). Her work at OLTL also wasn't great. But AMC has changed so much in the past decade, it is so hollowed out now, Broderick may do a far better job with what is currently oncanvas.

I have always felt like McTavish just needs a strong producer to help her. She has not had that on her return stints. I know she can do a far better job with Kendall than what we have had under B&E or Pratt. She may also be the only one who can salvage Zach.

I really liked Richard Culliton's stint as headwriter.

AMC needs to make tough decisions, the way DAYS did last year. It's time to get rid of marquee names who no longer deliver. Time to go Tad, time to go Ryan, among others. Will Frons let anyone do that?

This post has been edited by CarlD2: 08 July 2009 - 05:56 PM

[SteveFrame]

I think Ryan, Kendall and Zach all 3 need to go. They are draining this show. All 3 need a good long rest and maybe come back later - esp. Kendall completely free of the two. If I never heard of Ryan or Zach again I would be happy.

I do not want to see Zach saved at all. For all the preaching about Ryan by so many Zach is just as bad and done just as much to damage the show.

I think several need to be given a rest for awhile or just written out:

Tad, JR, Brot, Taylor, Frank, Randi, and if they aren't going to do anything with Angie & Jesse other than being the town doctor and town cop then it's time to cut them loose or put them on recurring. Why pay them what they do to not really use them. I love them but it is obvious that there is nothing they want to do or are allowed to do with them.

Fans hated the exploration of Jesse's time away. Then even when a spoiler hinted that something might be up with him and Randi fans were angry. Them forever happy is not allowing much for them to do. And just watching them hover over Frank. Jesse has basically filled the role that Derek did for years. So we traded one ethnic character for another.

And what did they do to poor Dr. Joe. Did they cut his minimums taht much or do they just not want to use him at all.

I just don't understand why all that the last writers they have had can come up with is putting Zach, Ryan and Kendall on the front burner and leaving them there. I am so tired of those 3 characters, and none of them have one likable character trait anymore.

[Ann_SS]

Zach, Kendall, Ryan = Sonny, Carly, Jason = John, Blair, Todd. In many respects, the ABC soaps are clones of each other. When I watch these soaps, I do not understand how the writers could think that these stories are interesting or entertaining. The stories are repetitious, tedious, and illogical. There are too many WTF moments. I honestly do not think that anything can be done to save any of these soaps.

[CarlD2]

Blair doesn't get half the airtime or attention of Kendall or Carly. I think that's more Marty.

SteveFrame, I think fans would accept conflict for Angie and Jesse, but not Jesse sleeping with his daughter-in-law. Didn't Debbi and Darnell even ask Agnes Nixon to try to stop that story?

I wouldn't mind seeing Ryan, Zach, and Kendall written out (although I do think Kendall is a very important character), but I can't imagine Frons letting this happen. That's why if they are staying, then the main writer I believe would be able to fix them would be McTavish. Not Ryan, but Ryan sucks no matter who is writing.

[SteveFrame]

WEll McT loved Ryan and the Laverys so I would not expect her to do anything but continue with Ryan on the front burner.

I didn't want to see Jesse sleeping with his daughter in law either. My point was it is just clear that if the story involves any conflict most fans are not going to accept it.

I mean so many were mad to find out about Rebecca. I don't know maybe I am just not a sentimental romantic or something, but to honestly think that Jesse could be away from his family for that many years and think he will never get back to them. It's just logical to think he drifted a time or two.

It was the same with Steve/Patch on Days. People couldn't deal with the fact that he didn't put on a chastity belt all those years away from Kayla. And then it didn't help that the writers played Kayla up as doing just that. She waited.

It's the same with the Luke/Laura thing. I hate that Luke cheated too, but come on folks I have seen the best of men fall by the wayside and give in to temptation. It happens.

As one of the sex therapists said one time:

Women need a reason to have sex, men just need a place.

I'm not saying that it is right for men to stray from their marriage vows because it's not, but it is just easier for men to do it. And Luke never was the most faithful person in the first place. Laura wasn't presumed dead long before he slept with Holly and got her pregnant. Then he was presumed dead and she married Robert. He came back and couldn't believe the new love of his life had deserted him.

With Jesse, Angie and Rebecca, I would have just loved to seen the story play out. It is just obvious to me that they ended it early due to fan backlash. Spoilers and previews just made it seem to be so much more than it was, and then it was over. And now we are just stuck with them doing nothing.

[CarlD2]

I wasn't sure if they ended the story due to fan backlash, or some contract issue with Laura Koffman (it seemed like she didn't even appear that often), or just because Pratt doesn't know how to keep stories going. Plotlines seem to be changed or stop at the drop of a hat.

[SteveFrame]

Oh that whole month something was up. Several of us talked about it. I don't remember which month it was. I think Feb. But I do remember things to be going right along at a regular pace - followed the previews and all - and then bang it just all went haywire for awhile. It was all right about the time Kendall woke up. The balance went totally haywire and all. Up until then it was all great and then boom.

I can't see it being a contract thing, because as far as I ever saw she was just recurring and said to be for a few months. For what we ended up getting they could have gotten anyone. They were even previews that indicated more of the story and then it was just over.

I mean I don't even see the purpose of creating a daughter for Jesse at this point. What purpose has she ever served.

I can't remember what other things were happening then but several things went off about that time.

As far as Pratt and stories, I don't see that as a Pratt thing anymore. It is just symptomatic of the problems with soaps these days. It is all about plot and it seems so many of the stories just happen and are not even planned. I mean look at even some of Y&R's stories. Several of them have turned into big jumbled messes or serve no purpose. I still have yet to see the purpose of making Kay and Jill not mother and daughter. Was it just so that Jill could be dumbed down and made look a fool filing nails again. My feeling it was just to make Billy and Mac a viable couple again and look how well that is working out.

I love the saying by the new writer at Marlena De Lacroix:

"It’s so hard to be a cheerleader for a team that doesn’t even want to win any more."

And that is the way I feel. I have defended and cheered on soaps for years. It gets harder and harder to do so. Used to soaps gave me ammo to argue with but it is so hard to defend some of these lamebrain stories and characters lately.

[CSF]

SteveFrame, on 09 July 2009 - 12:21 AM, said:

I mean look at even some of Y&R's stories. Several of them have turned into big jumbled messes or serve no purpose. I still have yet to see the purpose of making Kay and Jill not mother and daughter. Was it just so that Jill could be dumbed down and made look a fool filing nails again. My feeling it was just to make Billy and Mac a viable couple again and look how well that is working out.

IMO, I always felt it was way too gross to make Kay and Jill mother and daughter. Their pasts together were way too screwed up. It always would make more sense IMO to have Jill thrown to Kay's side as an ironic twist since Jill was initially hired as Kay's companion.

I think Billy and Mac would have worked out well if the original Billy and Mac returned. However, that clearly was not an option so the writer's need to move on.

However, I do see your points about many of their stories flopping. The undoing of Kay and Jill could have been much better if there was a follow up saying she was really a Foster still and maybe add some more to it and build up the momentum of their rivalry. I think the Phillip back from the dead is going to flop too. I would have rather them find out Cane was not Phillp and Phillip was really dead and in his grave and then Phillip IV returns from Iraq, gay!

[SteveFrame]

I don't necessarily think Kay and Jill should have stayed mother and daughter. I didn't like it when they did it. But why undo a big story like that if you aren't doing it for some good reason - at least other than just trying to appease fans. And so far I think that is all it has been for - other than Billy and Chloe.

It has not done anything good for Jill and Kay so far. I mean it is almost as if the writers don't want to give it up when you have Kay say things like she did to Murphy the other day leading you to believe she wishes they were still mother and daughter. I mean neither one of them have even bothered to find out what happened to Jill's mother or Kay's real daughter.

There just doesn't seem to be a lot of purpose to anything. Even Brad's death.

It's not just Y&R - so I'm not picking on them. All the shows have big problems. Ron Carlivati has proven to me over and over again that his stories turn into messes with no real payoffs at all.

I had such high hopes for Ron and MAB and that is the reason I am more disappointed in them. They let all that promise go and just fell right in line with the rest of the hacks.