2 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Scout, Violet, and Charlotte are all annoying, pointless, blonde children so don't take my word for it lol.  I know they are all different ages but I just ignore them all.   I try to ignore Wiley. Unfortunately, he's been around more often.

They can all go into the fire.

-- I think one problem with GH is that they're often "lightly committed" to stories and couples. We saw Cody with Lulu as having great potential. They did nothing with it. Now Cody is "lightly committed" with Molly. I see no potential there, but the show can back off any time, because we're not invested.

-- I don't see a Cody return to Lulu at this time. They're islanded in completely different stories. I don't want Cody with Liz either.

-- After seeing Cody and Ava today, sign me up. This is right in Josh Kelly's wheelhouse, and Maura West never fails to make a coupling work with a younger guy. I'm all in on Cody bankrupting Kristina while bedding down Ava -- and then falling for her.

-- Josh Swickard is a perfect soap actor, but GH has made him too good, too vanilla. He's Dudley Do-Right, and after a while, that's boring. Chase needs to mess up, he needs to have a bad side, even if that's just making mistakes.

     But calling for him to be hurt or disabled -- AGAIN? No. Just no. We already went through paralysis with him, and I don't need blindness. I need the guy with his shirt off (which is another reason his pairing with Amanda Setton doesn't work).

-- Katelyn MacMullen was SUPERB today as Willow. Those courtroom scenes were devastating, and she pulled it off. The writing was good -- we wanted that victory for Michael. The curveball was that the writers also wanted us to feel for Willow. KM made that work, and she hould be praised for those scenes.

-- I NEVER want Jonathan Jackson back as Lucky. I am thoroughly disgusted with these actors who come to the set with their Christian values and morals and judgments. I am sick of actors who demand storyline approval and who dictate their wardrobe and hairstyle. And yes, I am stunned that GH continues to allow these things to happen.

     JJ is only the latest example of a hiring fail on this show. Imagine paying big money for that.

8 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

-- I think one problem with GH is that they're often "lightly committed" to stories and couples. We saw Cody with Lulu as having great potential. They did nothing with it. Now Cody is "lightly committed" with Molly. I see no potential there, but the show can back off any time, because we're not invested.

-- I don't see a Cody return to Lulu at this time. They're islanded in completely different stories. I don't want Cody with Liz either.

That's very true. And then even when they do commit the writing is so hesitant and strung out it's difficult to care (like Trina/Kai).

I felt the same way about Cody and Lulu for months, but they did bring them back together for the Gio reveal.

9 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

But calling for him to be hurt or disabled -- AGAIN? No. Just no. 

Not only would I hurt him, I'd fire him!

16 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Agreed.

I don't think we've seen Charlotte in months, but Scout, Violet, and Charlotte are all annoying, pointless, blonde children so don't take my word for it lol.  I know they are all different ages but I just ignore them all.   I try to ignore Wiley. Unfortunately, he's been around more often.

Now don't mention Violet. She might pop up now. 😜 

21 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

-- I NEVER want Jonathan Jackson back as Lucky. I am thoroughly disgusted with these actors who come to the set with their Christian values and morals and judgments. I am sick of actors who demand storyline approval and who dictate their wardrobe and hairstyle. And yes, I am stunned that GH continues to allow these things to happen.

     JJ is only the latest example of a hiring fail on this show. Imagine paying big money for that.

Do you think Jackson's Christian values were the issue?  I am sincerely asking.  I don't think that's the case here.  I agree about the storyline, wardrobe, and hair issues.  I just think Frank didn't care at all and helped tank it because it wasn't what he wanted.  I am sure JJ isn't blameless.  I really haven't heard of him refusing stories on any show due to his beliefs though.

Wow the GH thread is marked "hot" instead of Beyond the Gates!

The WillHOE custody battle & Gio paternity reveal has made the show a good watch on top of some other surrounding stories!

Edited June 12Jun 12 by Planet Soap

1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

You're not.  

I was reading fast & read 

You're a  nut.

???! Double-take & back-up. Whew  LOL 

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

Do you think Jackson's Christian values were the issue?  I am sincerely asking.  I don't think that's the case here.  I agree about the storyline, wardrobe, and hair issues.  I just think Frank didn't care at all and helped tank it because it wasn't what he wanted.  I am sure JJ isn't blameless.  I really haven't heard of him refusing stories on any show due to his beliefs though.

I do think Jackson's values were a problem. We see how Amanda Setton has been able to control things with her Brook Lynn, so why wouldn't a bigger name like JJ be able to pull the same thing?

I've heard too many rumors about what he and other actors demand at GH to think it's all made up. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Lucky reconnected with Liz, but we got none of the passion and magic from the past. Even his last kiss with her was weird -- it looked to me as if he missed her entire mouth. I didn't notice any story limitations when JJ was on Nashville, but that series ended 7 years ago, and he might be different now.

I also heard rumors he didn't want crying scenes on his return -- and we didn't get those. In fact, we got almost no emotion from Lucky at all. The most emotional scenes? He was out and Guy Wilson played Lucky for those. Shouldn't we have had some emotion with Liz and his mother on leaving?

I'm not letting Frank off the hook here. We've all heard too many stories about what happens to actors/characters when Frank isn't happy. 

It's all dysfunctional. Just look at this super-quick and completely unexpected exit from JJ. When it was clear Jackson wanted to negotiate his exit -- the timing, at least -- GH kicked him to the curb.

I think that was handled poorly. I posted here that it felt as if GH was purposely giving him a terrible goodbye. I think I was wrong about that. I think they wanted it to straddle the fence with that goodbye, making it quick but also lasting too many days. By yesterday, I was yelling "Just leave already" at my screen.

 

3 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I do think Jackson's values were a problem. We see how Amanda Setton has been able to control things with her Brook Lynn, so why wouldn't a bigger name like JJ be able to pull the same thing?

I've heard too many rumors about what he and other actors demand at GH to think it's all made up. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Lucky reconnected with Liz, but we got none of the passion and magic from the past. Even his last kiss with her was weird -- it looked to me as if he missed her entire mouth. I didn't notice any story limitations when JJ was on Nashville, but that series ended 7 years ago, and he might be different now.

I also heard rumors he didn't want crying scenes on his return -- and we didn't get those. In fact, we got almost no emotion from Lucky at all. The most emotional scenes? He was out and Guy Wilson played Lucky for those. Shouldn't we have had some emotion with Liz and his mother on leaving?

I'm not letting Frank off the hook here. We've all heard too many stories about what happens to actors/characters when Frank isn't happy. 

It's all dysfunctional. Just look at this super-quick and completely unexpected exit from JJ. When it was clear Jackson wanted to negotiate his exit -- the timing, at least -- GH kicked him to the curb.

I think that was handled poorly. I posted here that it felt as if GH was purposely giving him a terrible goodbye. I think I was wrong about that. I think they wanted it to straddle the fence with that goodbye, making it quick but also lasting too many days. By yesterday, I was yelling "Just leave already" at my screen.

 

You have a very fair point about Setton.  I just never thought of JJ as being in the same category and you have given me something to think about.  I was thinking about Nashville as well and don't remember JJ shying away from meatier content, but it's been a while.

It's such a slippery slope to let actors have a say in their story.  I think sometimes actors know their characters better than the writers yet I still don't like it.  You're paid to play the story given.

I think Jackson has a tiny bit of overinflated ego about being "Luke Jr." and the next big thing and it didn't exactly pan out for him.  I see him thinking GH was lucky-no pun intended-to get him back.  

At the same time I love JJ and Lucky, so I think Frank did do him dirty.  It's just hard with characters so far removed from the show.  Liz is a responsible adult and lived a life while Lucky, was Idk, playing cards in Africa.  It was always an odd fit of a return.

Dumb Dora: I don't understand what's happening.

Ric: We lost Willow.

 

Damn this girl really is this stupid!😂

Dumb Dora: My children need me!

 

I wish everyone had slapped her as they left the courtroom.

 

I would have loved if Michael had told her, but you have Drew, your knight in shining armor.

34 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I do think Jackson's values were a problem.

Unlike Setton, there's no evidence of that here. There really hasn't been at any point I can remember with Jackson.

As for 'no crying scenes,' that sounds like nonsense. What I'm sure he didn't want though is what he explicitly complained about when he left in 2011 - playing constant misery, addiction and despair, weeping and raging everyday, which he said was grueling and made him want to leave. He also didn't get the full reunion with Liz and Lucky he was promised by Guza II, nor did he this time. And I suspect he wasn't willing to budge on it this time. Given the history BTS I have no problem with him wanting that and insisting on it, and I am not some diehard LNL2 fan. But it just makes sense. And I do think they did work this time, we just got very little of it and often pretty mediocre writing. Which is the house style.

Do I think JJ's low airtime was partially a contract issue? Yes. Do I think GH ever prioritized him or Elizabeth this time? No. And do I think FV resented JJ having clout enough to have a hand in story when they clearly wanted to move Lucky to Kristina instead?* Yep. When an actor has a low guarantee or is on recurring FV can still prioritize them if he wants to, like with Valentin. He chose not to because he knew JJ's Lucky was bigger than his GH, he didn't like that, and now he's gotten him out. I fully expect him to fire VM now if she ever somehow came back.

*(I'm not even against a Lucky/Kristina dalliance in a future story that made sense, for the record. But it wouldn't have here, it would just be more ruinous for his character.)

Edited June 13Jun 13 by Vee

15 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Dumb Dora: I don't understand what's happening.

Ric: We lost Willow.

 

Damn this girl really is this stupid!😂

Dumb Dora: My children need me!

 

I wish everyone had slapped her as they left the courtroom.

 

I would have loved if Michael had told her, but you have Drew, your knight in shining armor.

I was SO waiting for someone especially Michael to tell her well at least you have Drew.

Also loved Nina for rightly blaming Drew for Willow losing any and all kind of custody with his Wiley stunt.

5 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

I do think Jackson's values were a problem. We see how Amanda Setton has been able to control things with her Brook Lynn, so why wouldn't a bigger name like JJ be able to pull the same thing?

I've heard too many rumors about what he and other actors demand at GH to think it's all made up. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Lucky reconnected with Liz, but we got none of the passion and magic from the past. Even his last kiss with her was weird -- it looked to me as if he missed her entire mouth. I didn't notice any story limitations when JJ was on Nashville, but that series ended 7 years ago, and he might be different now.

I also heard rumors he didn't want crying scenes on his return -- and we didn't get those. In fact, we got almost no emotion from Lucky at all. The most emotional scenes? He was out and Guy Wilson played Lucky for those. Shouldn't we have had some emotion with Liz and his mother on leaving?

I'm not letting Frank off the hook here. We've all heard too many stories about what happens to actors/characters when Frank isn't happy. 

It's all dysfunctional. Just look at this super-quick and completely unexpected exit from JJ. When it was clear Jackson wanted to negotiate his exit -- the timing, at least -- GH kicked him to the curb.

I think that was handled poorly. I posted here that it felt as if GH was purposely giving him a terrible goodbye. I think I was wrong about that. I think they wanted it to straddle the fence with that goodbye, making it quick but also lasting too many days. By yesterday, I was yelling "Just leave already" at my screen.

 

Can you elaborate more on Amanda's restrictions?

I agree that actors should have limited say in writing and character direction because actors don't always have the ability to write/produce well. Larry Hagman and Tony Geary are examples.

I remember when Vanessa Marcille was on the reality show Queens of Drama where soap stars were trying to create their own soap and the actors involved had no idea how to write one.

Likewise, from interviews it's said that Bill Bell took limited input from actors (and for good reason) because his near singular vision kept Y&R's quality high.

However, I do feel for actors. No one wants to be a slave to what someone in a back room is writing.

When it comes to issues like hairstyles I do think sometimes actors should have a say as it could become a cultural issue. Suppose there was an African-American actress had perfectly good natural hair but was always being asked to wear Eurocentric wigs or straight hairstyles.

With wardrobe suppose you're always given the worst clothes  and look terrible with no relation to the storyline? I would complain.

Suppose writers were completely assassinating a character's character, then I think the actor should speak up.

Again, I believe in writer supremacy but I don't think actors should just go for anything. 

Edited June 13Jun 13 by Planet Soap

27 minutes ago, Vee said:

I fully expect him to fire VM now if she ever somehow came back.

*(I'm not even against a Lucky/Kristina dalliance in a future story that made sense, for the record. But it wouldn't have here, it would just be more ruinous for his character.)

Oh, Frank would kill off Brenda if he could and be like "just not a fit for the current show".  She'd probably die in a car bomb or something and he'd say it's history.

I thought Kristina/Lucky was silly, but I do see the potential and Mansi and Jackson had a vibe going.