GH: July 2024 Discussion Thread

[Liberty City]

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The clear transition between regimes is becoming more difficult to watch. OMG.

[John]

Yep this is bad

Anna Devane is being ruined. 

So Sonny was pimping underage Girls at his strip club but John Cates is the bad guy here. [!@#$%^&*] that [!@#$%^&*]. Its time to retire the Sonny character and move the mob out of Port Charles.

[Liberty City]

Ava calling on Kristina is... dangerous, for all included. Hmmm....

And Adam Harrington is not acting well the past few days... tone is down, sir. You're better than this.

[Antoyne]

7/24

Jason is really fine leaving his kids again for Carly because she decided to have a kid with Sonny when they were both middle aged

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Ava is so silly thinking she could convince Nina to be on her side now. Great scenes though.

This show really had Kristina call Natalia the homophobe, THE REAL VICTIM?! This is the kind of stuff that turns me off of shows very quickly.

[Vee]

Wagger is not my red line on the show, lol. I don't care about Wagger no matter how nice his actor is on social media. He's been on the show four minutes. The whole show is just bad and the stories are nonsense.

[carolineg]

Yes, Sonny did this.  Yes, Sonny is awful.  This did happen 30 years ago and Jagger is not the victim.  Karen was.  And she forgave Sonny for better or worse.  I don't need a 50 year old guy crying injustice about something that DID. NOT. HAPPEN. TO. HIM.  He cheated on Karen and was divorced from her years before she died.  A lot of things are all Sonny's fault.  This isn't one of them.

Jagger's issues are nonsense.  How would anyone side with him?  Sonny sucks, but like where were you JAGGER when your brother was dying?  Sonny paid for Stone's everything, no expense spared.  So, yeah, Sonny might milk that a bit, but Jagger could have shown up and spent time with his own brother or not cheated on Karen instead of complaining about it decades later.

[John]

Karen never forgave Sonny

[BetterForgotten]

Well, Karen ain't here to show that anymore. 

[titan1978]

Pretty sure she was fine with him when they visited right before Stone died, and again when the part was recast for Port Charles.

There is a layer of misogyny attached to the way Jagger is behaving about Karen. Like he needs to protect his little lady for her own good, no matter what she wants or even if she is alive anymore. Sure it was the writing, but Karen didn’t turn Sonny in. And this was back when he was low level mob.

Two/more things can be true at once- the writing for Anna was atrocious. Sonny is scum. However, Jagger has not been portrayed this entire run as heroic or as a stand up character. He is also still as stupid as he was back then. He openly flirted with Carly when he knew what he was holding over Jason. He was close to railroading Anna on sloppy email evidence. Defending him like he has remotely been a good guy or is simply doing his job is whack.

Yes!

[John]

They Had Karen (Then Jennifer Hammon) and Joe (Then Michael Dietz) run into Sonny , Jason &  Robin on the Pier on GH in 1998. Karen was not comfortable around him. Sonny kept calling her Carrie (Her stripper name). Joe asked him to quit. Then of all people, Robin told Karen its past the time she get over what Sonny did to her. Karen & Joe left. 

[Vee]

Karen's been dead for 20 years! What does this have to do with why we're not super invested in Wagger?

[John]

I'd guess for Cates, he has regrets with how things ended with Karen

[Antoyne]

I honestly don’t need Cates reasons to matter. Sonny sucks and anyone trying to take him down, works for me.

[carolineg]

Yes about Jagger.  Karen was a full grown woman who became a successful Dr.  Entirely without Jagger's help.  I don't even love to defend Sonny, but Karen had moved on with her life long before.  Jagger is acting like Karen was troubled by this for years.  She wasn't.  She was much stronger than that.  I can see Karen eyerolling this behavior from the grave.  Move on Jagger~

There is a scene not much after where Sonny and JH's Karen make peace.  That's literally not how Sonny/Karen ended things.  I am sure it's on youtube.

There are also scenes with Brenda at the Nurse's Ball in 1997 where they both discuss Sonny, Stone, Jagger et all.  Karen was more than fine and well adjusted.

Edited July 31, 2024 by carolineg

[John]

Maybe a forgive but never forget type of thing @carolineg