Members Liberty City Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 I just knew, given his Locher Room interview and other interviews, this could be a case of "I'm doing what I want to do," and it did not bode well. I'm also hearing a few things, but won't disclose. But this is a MESS! Absolute shît show, especially during Sweeps month. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vince79 Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 (edited) He is a 67 year old man. He's been retired for 5 years. He's been a script writer for his entire career except a 6 month stint at GL. He is not known for creating story. He is proven at crafting scenes. You are getting nothing except the latter since he came onboard. If you want conversations first...you may enjoy his two months. If you want entertainment first...you are happy to see the end of his two months. You have a show with no energy or momentum to hope to pull out of this rut of boredom. He wasn't fine tuning things. He was giving us filler nonstop. It is mark of a script writer. Ratings sunk like a rock on his watch week to week and year over year that is too alarming to ignore. Fans spoke in droves with their remotes about his vision. You will not survive 1.8 million in May Sweeps when the guys that were fired for you were doing 250,000 better 12 months ago. He will be remembered for bringing back a few rounds of hate sex to create (non) buzz that caused more to tune out. He should've gone for shock and awe in other places with more relevant characters. All the personality shifts (daily) were too jarring to keep straight. It was like the twlight zone in some cases. I will not miss career day. I will not miss the "mobsters kill people?" portion of the week. Frank did the right thing cutting the cord before it strangled the viewership further into cancellation. A terrible match from the start with these men. All his ideas should be trashed. It wasn't catching on and was confusing to force that much change. Edited May 17 by Vince79 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BetterForgotten Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 (edited) Everyone knows PM is/was a superb dialogue writer. But, his HW experiences at both GL and GH were never set up for success as far as I can tell with both shows being a messy situation behind the scenes during his HW-ing stints. I don’t think he ever really got a fair shot as both instances were messy and he didn’t have producers that supported him or whose vision gelled with his. Did anyone think Chris and Dan moved the needle at all on this show? Does anyone except Korte to turn this show around? I don’t. PM being fired doesn’t mean GH is in for some type of renaissance, especially with people like both Valentini and Korte who’ve already been there for years and likely to just keep the status quo going. A lot of GH’s issues started before his stint and will continue after. I agree that the show lacks energy and momentum, but is that all down to PM? When there are internal conflicts, little gets done. If Korte wants to be a yes woman to Valentini and Varni, I don’t see how that would be beneficial for the show either. Edited May 17 by BetterForgotten 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members titan1978 Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 I have been fully acknowledging the faults of what has been onscreen. But I keep seeing this narrative that he was just a brilliant script writer, and a failed HW. He was helping to steer the overall ship at SB, GL, and GH and B&B. Part of his stint on GH in the 90’s was as Associate Head Writer. He was also more than just a scriptwriter on Guiding Light before becoming a HW. I’m not saying Head Writer was the correct role for him. But I am saying he wasn’t just writing scripts all this time. He had roles in shaping short and long term story, pitched ideas that became stories, etc. His best gifts might lie as script writer and editor, I will never deny his talents there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Maxim Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 (edited) People having a stern stipulation that PM is not a good head writer... and then also stating that he has no track record as HW other than a few months at another show... and not realizing how these two statements completely contradict each other... is just LOL material. So... he has no track record other than a few months... but he IS BAD HW no question about it...? And I'm reading this all around the internet today. These two little facts thrown here and there. God... help me. Edited May 17 by Maxim 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BetterForgotten Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 GH has failed with 5-6 Head Writer changes since Frank Valentini has been Executive Producer. Tell me how that makes sense that he’s still there and bullet proof for this show’s bad ratings? I need more than he keeps the show on budget. GH will never evolve as long as he’s there and not held accountable for the failures that have happened during his 12+ years as Executive Producer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Contessa Donatella Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 (edited) BOLD and the rest, agree. Also @titan1978 agree. Edited May 17 by Contessa Donatella more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 (edited) I agree. In fact, that's all we hear. That, and he keeps the actors happy. Frankly, I'd take a show that's mired in debt and littered with cast members who are sticking pins in voodoo dolls of each other over Frank Valentini's GH. Edited May 17 by Khan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Contessa Donatella Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 Oh, gee, we are not excited that the trains run on time?! SARCASM ALERT Yesterday I said that I have long been a staunch defender of Frank. But, now I find I must totally abandon that position. As a Carly & a Jason fan (not to mention at least 1 dozen others) I am trying to be hopeful but it is such a huge problem to see anything at the end of the tunnel besides more tunnel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members detroitpiston Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 How long before we see “GH: Chuck Pratt IN as headwriter” Errol??? Please register in order to view this content Its literally the same exact people who were complaining by episode 2 and saying they’d rather have Chris and Dan back now suddenly calling Patrick a hero who didn’t get a chance. Pure comedy that they end up with Korte running things solo for the time being. Of all the soaps GH has the worst fan base by far. They bitch 24/7 without even watching the actual show, just regurgitating biased takes and criticizing out of context clips and scene descriptions. The rage I saw all because characters expressed unique perspectives and personal bias was so ridiculous, how is a show supposed to write any real conflict if the audience complains because character A doesn’t think the same way as character B? Guza was correct to just write whatever the heck he wanted because this audience wants to watch Halmark movies 5 days a week but then complain about being bored, it makes no sense and you can’t win. Yeah I do not care for the way he’s been diminished as a writer, very unfair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 That's the key part - the idea that Chris and Dan were fired to roll out the red carpet for Mulcahey baffles me. The show had real problems. That's why someone stepped in and made some token changes (instead of going as far as they should have). We could say viewers didn't respond to his work, but we don't even know how much of that work was his. You can say oh the writing for women regressed, or things were dull, or there was too much focus on Jason and Carly rather than Jason and anyone else, but most of these were issues years before he returned to the show. Even most of the fan complaints I saw didn't blame him - they threw the blame squarely at Korte, because many of those fans know her trademarks and were seeing them all over the episodes. So even most of them know that nothing positive has come from this decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Liberty City Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 At this point bring him in and bring Jill Phelps back in... because it's clear, despite their grievances, they didn't give two shîts what the network wanted, and fought against it... more so than Valentini. Varni has to go, too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 (edited) You know things are rotten in the state of Denmark when even yours truly would like to see Bob Guza return, lol. I agree. But I'm serious about Guza coming back! I totally forgive the Sonny/Jason/Carly hero worship, Bobby, just come back home! Edited May 17 by Khan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TEdgeofNight Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 While that is a great idea, why would an 81 year old woman subject herself to this MESS? She deserves better than what she would walk into. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BetterForgotten Posted May 17 Members Share Posted May 17 (edited) Wendy is 81 and needs to enjoy her life, so I agree. That said, GH needs people like Wendy Riche and Shelley Curtis again to come in and clean this sh!t up like they had to do in 1992-1993 when the show crumbled after Monty's second stint. They need people like that to help rebuild and refocus the foundation. That said, I'm a realist, and I know no one gives a f.uck for that type of change to happen in the modern era. Edited May 17 by BetterForgotten 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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