1 hour ago, teplin said:

Will, Sonny and Craig talked about Leo's involvement in Beyond Salem's jewel storyline, so I'd say it is indeed canon.

Yeah, I am pretty sure every character involved has mentioned it to some degree and Beyond Salem was even briefly set up on the main show.

I don't mind Will and Sonny being involved in the Craig/Leo stuff, but why do they all care that much?  None of them are close to Chloe and it's 2 consenting adults.  I know it's just an excuse for wacky hi-jinks between Chad, Will, Sonny, and Leo which was popular on the spinoffs, but c'mon Will/Sonny can do something better.

The hospital board is really harsh if they won't let Marlena resign or retire and just fire her after 40 years lol!

29 minutes ago, wingwalker said:

 

My totally made up additional spoiler for Monday March 21st:     Sonny offers to do a test run to help Chad prepare.

All I'm saying is that I'd never talk crap about the show again if this happened...

4 minutes ago, AlexElizabeth said:

All I'm saying is that I'd never talk crap about the show again if this happened...

My head canon is that Chad is on Sonny's hall pass and EJ is on Will's.  DAYS needs to make at least one of them actual canon. 

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I don't mind Will and Sonny being involved in the Craig/Leo stuff, but why do they all care that much?  None of them are close to Chloe and it's 2 consenting adults.  I know it's just an excuse for wacky hi-jinks between Chad, Will, Sonny, and Leo which was popular on the spinoffs, but c'mon Will/Sonny can do something better.

Thank you, thank you and thank you!

And even if I bought the premise that Sonny and Will are intervening out of concern for Craig and Chloe, why use not-gay Chad to lure horny Leo into bed?  They've got the cash; hire a male prostitute!  You could even have Will make a joke about Sonny paying him with a cash app.  ("You paid him on PayPal?  God, you really do suck at this!")

Even better, hire a private investigator to dig up some dirt on Leo!  He's a con artist, I'm sure he's got more than a few skeletons in his closet!  Maybe this isn't the first time Leo has hooked up with a dude (like Craig) while pretending to be something or someone he's not.  Maybe they could find him, bring him to Salem and have him tell Craig that their relationship happened in the exact same way as Craig and Leo's, thereby causing Craig to pause, if only briefly, about the whole thing.

Edited March 12, 20223 yr by Khan

1 hour ago, Khan said:

Thank you, thank you and thank you!

And even if I bought the premise that Sonny and Will are intervening out of concern for Craig and Chloe, why use not-gay Chad to lure horny Leo into bed?  They've got the cash; hire a male prostitute!  You could even have Will make a joke about Sonny paying him with a cash app.  ("You paid him on PayPal?  God, you really do suck at this!")

Even better, hire a private investigator to dig up some dirt on Leo!  He's a con artist, I'm sure he's got more than a few skeletons in his closet!  Maybe this isn't the first time Leo has hooked up with a dude (like Craig) while pretending to be something or someone he's not.  Maybe they could find him, bring him to Salem and have him tell Craig that their relationship happened in the exact same way as Craig and Leo's, thereby causing Craig to pause, if only briefly, about the whole thing.

Agree 100%.

It's literally Ron repeated the something that was popular over and over because he doesn't have any better ideas.  It's so stupid to use Chad?  Leo is a con artist-he's not an idiot.  He knows Will and Sonny are on to him, do those two think Leo will be so blinded by lust with Chad that he will fall for this? 

If Ron brought Sonny/Will in to deal with Johnny, Allie, Arianna, the movie, EJ's trial, anything other than this I would be fine.  It's a silly side story.   Perhaps this will end quickly and they can deal with real stories after this.  I just can't believe BRADY saying Chloe needs help brought them to Salem.  Not Will's mom's kidnapping, Sonny's father's remarriage, the Possession of Will's grandma, the movie being made, among many other plots they could be useful in.  It's like Ron thinks Will/Sonny are only worth writing for if they are doing silly gay stuff.  It's annoying.  I am not mad they are back, but I am mad at how they are being used for sure.

And, you know what, if Craig is being conned should we feel bad?  He left his wife of years because he was too afraid to tell her he was gay and treated her badly.  He's a 55 plus grown man-if he get's hurt, oh well.

Edited March 12, 20223 yr by carolineg

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

Leo is a con artist-he's not an idiot.  He knows Will and Sonny are on to him, do those two think Leo will be so blinded by lust with Chad that he will fall for this?

If Leo allows his thirst for Chad's peen (or, for that matter, for ANY peen) to make him so gullible to Sonny and Will's ridiculous plans, then I question just how effective he was as a con.

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I just can't believe BRADY saying Chloe needs help brought them to Salem.  Not Will's mom's kidnapping, Sonny's father's remarriage, the Possession of Will's grandma, the movie being made, among many other plots they could be useful in.  It's like Ron thinks Will/Sonny are only worth writing for if they are doing silly gay stuff.  It's annoying.  I am not mad they are back, but I am mad at how they are being used for sure.

And, you know what, if Craig is being conned should we feel bad?  He left his wife of years because he was too afraid to tell her he was gay and treated her badly.  He's a 55 plus grown man-if he get's hurt, oh well.

Agree.  On all counts.

Ron has Chandler and maybe Zach for a limited time.  Don't waste the audience's time with b.s. like this.  DO SOMETHING REAL WITH THEM.  MAKE IT COUNT.

4 hours ago, carolineg said:

Yeah, I am pretty sure every character involved has mentioned it to some degree and Beyond Salem was even briefly set up on the main show.

I don't mind Will and Sonny being involved in the Craig/Leo stuff, but why do they all care that much?  None of them are close to Chloe and it's 2 consenting adults.  I know it's just an excuse for wacky hi-jinks between Chad, Will, Sonny, and Leo which was popular on the spinoffs, but c'mon Will/Sonny can do something better.

The hospital board is really harsh if they won't let Marlena resign or retire and just fire her after 40 years lol!

 

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

Agree 100%.

It's literally Ron repeated the something that was popular over and over because he doesn't have any better ideas.  It's so stupid to use Chad?  Leo is a con artist-he's not an idiot.  He knows Will and Sonny are on to him, do those two think Leo will be so blinded by lust with Chad that he will fall for this? 

If Ron brought Sonny/Will in to deal with Johnny, Allie, Arianna, the movie, EJ's trial, anything other than this I would be fine.  It's a silly side story.   Perhaps this will end quickly and they can deal with real stories after this.  I just can't believe BRADY saying Chloe needs help brought them to Salem.  Not Will's mom's kidnapping, Sonny's father's remarriage, the Possession of Will's grandma, the movie being made, among many other plots they could be useful in.  It's like Ron thinks Will/Sonny are only worth writing for if they are doing silly gay stuff.  It's annoying.  I am not mad they are back, but I am mad at how they are being used for sure.

And, you know what, if Craig is being conned should we feel bad?  He left his wife of years because he was too afraid to tell her he was gay and treated her badly.  He's a 55 plus grown man-if he get's hurt, oh well.

2 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Ron has Chandler and maybe Zach for a limited time.  Don't waste the audience's time with b.s. like this.  DO SOMETHING REAL WITH THEM.  MAKE IT COUNT.

That's how I feel and that's why I'm so pissed off!

6 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

That's how I feel and that's why I'm so pissed off!

It's just tragic that a storyline that COULD have groundbreaking has already devolved into the kind of camp that is literally killing DAYS and this genre as a whole.  You just KNOW Bill Bell or Pat Falken Smith would have told the hell out of this story if they had had the chance.

27 minutes ago, Khan said:

It's just tragic that a storyline that COULD have groundbreaking has already devolved into the kind of camp that is literally killing DAYS and this genre as a whole.  You just KNOW Bill Bell or Pat Falken Smith would have told the hell out of this story if they had had the chance.

I can just imagine what a Douglas Marland would've done with Will and Sonny and Craig's coming out story.

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Edited March 13, 20223 yr by victoria foxton

3 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

But Bill and Pat were legends. RC is a hack.

Exactly.

Marland would have at least helped us understand why Leo is the way he is.  He wouldn't have been just an irritating plot device in bad suits.

11 minutes ago, Khan said:

Exactly.

Marland would have at least helped us understand why Leo is the way he is.  He wouldn't have been just an irritating plot device in bad suits.

Marland would've never had a character like Leo on his soap. No way would his dialogue be so embarrassing and cringe worthy.

20 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Marland would've never had a character like Leo on his soap.

I think he would have had a character like Leo, but I don't think he'd be as garish, for lack of a better word.  Again, he would have made us understand what made someone like Leo tick. 

For example, I could see his Leo coming from a poor background - the product of a dysfunctional family, with an abusive father who kicked him out of the house when he was still a teenager after learning his son was a "f****t."

And I could see it being revealed that Leo was then "groomed" by an older escort/gigolo/con artist, with the strong implication that the two had had a sexual relationship.

Would all that have helped us LIKE Leo better?  Maybe, maybe not.  But at least we would've been able to empathize with the feelings of pain and isolation that have motivated him his entire life.  That, after all, is what you're supposed to do as a writer: make us understand and relate to a character, if not totally want to be his BFF.

Moreover, Marland would have taken great pains to show us the more sympathetic and compassionate sides of Leo's nature by gradually introducing siblings for him: brothers and sisters whom he still cared about and wished to protect, despite not having had any contact with the family in years.  Leo could continue to be a bastard to everybody in Salem; however, his relationships with his family would have been his Achilles heel.  He would have had layers to him that had nothing at all to do with his ridiculous suits.

Edited March 13, 20223 yr by Khan

4 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

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How I look after watching yet another one of Ron Carlivati's storylines.

25 minutes ago, Khan said:

I think he would have had a character like Leo, but I don't think he'd be as garish, for lack of a better word.  Again, he would have made us understand what made someone like Leo tick. 

For example, I could see his Leo coming from a poor background - the product of a dysfunctional family, with an abusive father who kicked him out of the house when he was still a teenager after learning his son was a "f****t."

And I could see it being revealed that Leo was then "groomed" by an older escort/gigolo/con artist, with the strong implication that the two had had a sexual relationship.

Would all that have helped us LIKE Leo better?  Maybe, maybe not.  But at least we would've been able to empathize with the feelings of pain and isolation that have motivated him his entire life.  That, after all, is what you're supposed to do as a writer: make us understand and relate to a character, if not totally want to be his BFF.

Moreover, Marland would have taken great pains to show us the more sympathetic and compassionate sides of Leo's nature by gradually introducing siblings for him: brothers and sisters whom he still cared about and wished to protect, despite not having had any contact with the family in years.  Leo could continue to be a bastard to everybody in Salem; however, his relationships with his family would have been his Achilles heel.  He would have had layers to him that had nothing at all to do with his ridiculous suits.

This. All of this. It's as Ron is writing as if every episode could be the last, so what's the point in actually developing a character? And it's a shame, too, because a gay Nola Reardon/Ava Rescott wouldn't be the worst thing for DOOL.