On 9/30/2019 at 10:44 AM, Donna B said:

I stayed in love with Rose. Loved Scott Holroyd. Hated that they had that great umbrella story planned & scrapped it. Byrne hated it, too.

 

What is the scrapped storyline you are talking about?

15 hours ago, Toups said:

@Khan, you don't even know what their relationship was like.  Who are you to say he wasn't good to her?  I just found that kind of disrespectful. 

 

I wasn't talking about their personal relationship, @Toups.  I'm sure Sheffer was wonderful to a great many people in his life and career.  Most everyone who had worked under him has attested to that fact.

 

As a head writer and storyteller, however, his writing for Barbara was ABOMINABLE.  He literally took one of my all-time favorite characters in daytime and turned her into an irredeemable monster whom I wanted off ATWT like yesterday.

 

14 hours ago, ChitHappens said:

It was Sheffer that had Barbara jumping out of a window in court, right?  

 

No, I think that was Passanante (although I could be wrong, and probably am).  Believe me, though, the damage had long been done by that point.

 

14 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

Barbara fell into one of two categories Sheffer generally wrote for female characters - either crazy or totally dependent or defined by a man (sometimes both).

 

Exactly.

 

Again, as engaging as Sheffer was with everyone, the man simply had no business BEING in this business.

 

14 hours ago, Franko said:

Yes, that was during Sheffer and Jean Passanante's time as head writers (2004).

 

Thanks, @Franko.  I hadn't read your post yet when I answered Chit's.

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by Khan

11 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

I wasn't talking about their personal relationship, @Toups.  I'm sure Sheffer was wonderful to a great many people in his life and career.  Most everyone who

Going by Tommy's Eulogy he was really a giving, generous man.

 

11 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Again, as engaging as Sheffer was with everyone, the man simply had no business BEING in this business.

 

 

@Khan, well, what do you get that from? Characterizations? Plots? Uneven/even?

Colleen Zenk was, alongside Nancy Lee Grahn, Lauren Koslow, HBS, Zimmer, and Susan Flannery, was one of the few actresses born before 1960 who got a platform in the aughts. It’s no wonder she feels eternally grateful for the showcase, even if she played a gargoyle.

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by Faulkner

40 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

Colleen Zenk was, alongside Nancy Lee Grahn, Lauren Koslow, HBS, Zimmer, and Susan Flannery, was one of the few actresses born before 1960 who got a platform in the aughts. It’s no wonder she feels eternally grateful for the showcase, even if she played a gargoyle.

You don't count Crystal Chappell?

2 minutes ago, Donna B said:

You don't count Crystal Chappell?

She’s born in 1965. I thought about her too. There are other older actresses who got story as well (Jeanne Cooper, Slezak), but it was a dwindling number.

8 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

She’s born in 1965. I thought about her too. There are other older actresses who got story as well (Jeanne Cooper, Slezak), but it was a dwindling number.

Okay, just so there's an explanation for Crystal not being on a list! LOL

4 hours ago, Markjeh said:

 

What is the scrapped storyline you are talking about?

Give me a bit & I'll remember what it's important to tell about it. And, Hi, By the way. Long time no see.

I noticed in the clip where Hoagie was accepting the Emmy that when he thanked Goutman, Marcia McCabe was with him & gave him a big hug & kiss, so they had not split up yet at that time.

22 hours ago, Donna B said:

@victoria foxtonIt's a mixed bag to me, too, mostly according to who was writing with him at the time.

 

@oakdalelover Yes, he died too young, but we have had plenty who did - Ted Corday @ 58, Zas @ 56, Marland @ 57, Reilly @ 60, Anthony Addabo @ 56, Larkin Molloy @ 62, and Carrie Fisher @ 50, so we add Sheffer @ 61.

 

More who died too young: Whitney Houston @ 49, Shell Kepler @ 50, Kathleen Layman @ 65, Taylor Negron @ 58, Nathaniel Marston @ 40, ... I am going to find more.

6 hours ago, Markjeh said:

 

What is the scrapped storyline you are talking about?

The umbrella storyline they were going to do was going to be much longer. I don't remember who was responsible for scrapping it & changing Rose's death so drastically. Could have been network interference, could have been Goutman, could have been HW. I think you can ferret out a whole bunch about it from this Usenet newsgroup link, RATSc etc.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs/ATWT$3A$20Lily$20$26$20Rose$20Scrapped$20Story|sort:date/rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs/xafFxREG0r8/v5RtjqOj0-YJ

5 hours ago, Khan said:

 

I wasn't talking about their personal relationship, @Toups.  I'm sure Sheffer was wonderful to a great many people in his life and career.  Most everyone who had worked under him has attested to that fact.

 

As a head writer and storyteller, however, his writing for Barbara was ABOMINABLE.  He literally took one of my all-time favorite characters in daytime and turned her into an irredeemable monster whom I wanted off ATWT like yesterday.

 

 

Alright.  LOL  Yeah, I totally misinterpreted your post. My bad.     As for the writing of Barbara, maybe Colleen just enjoyed playing a darker role and that's why she loved him/the writing. 

3 minutes ago, Toups said:

 

Alright.  LOL  Yeah, I totally misinterpreted your post. My bad.     As for the writing of Barbara, maybe Colleen just enjoyed playing a darker role and that's why she loved him/the writing. 

 

I think Colleen and many others, across the board, enjoyed the airtime.  

3 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

 

I think Colleen and many others, across the board, enjoyed the airtime.  

I agree. I remember when Martha first began to use her native New Jersey tongue & I truly thought that "Holden" was gonna bust a gut!

4 hours ago, Donna B said:

More who died too young: Whitney Houston @ 49, Shell Kepler @ 50, Kathleen Layman @ 65, Taylor Negron @ 58, Nathaniel Marston @ 40, ... I am going to find more.

Terry Lester @ 53, Richard Biggs @ 44, Ben Hendrickson @ 56, Tom O'Rourke @ 65, Jacqueline Courtney  @ 64, Anthony Herrerra @ 67, Claire Malis @ 69, Virginia Vestoff @ 43, Carolyn Sue Jones @ 53, Charita Bauer @ 63, Grayson Hall @ 63, Samuel D. Ratcliffe @ 50, Robert Shaw @ 51, Vince Williams @ 40, Nancy Addison @ 56, Doug Watson @ 68, Rebecca Schaeffer @ 22, Emily McLaughlin @ 63, Michael David Morrison @ 33, Doug Marland @ 59. THE END

Nancy Addison...

 

1 hour ago, ChitHappens said:

Nancy Addison...

 

Yeah, she's above, died at 56 years old.