Hogan Sheffer dies at 61

[Markjeh]

 

What is the scrapped storyline you are talking about?

[Khan]

 

I wasn't talking about their personal relationship, @Toups.  I'm sure Sheffer was wonderful to a great many people in his life and career.  Most everyone who had worked under him has attested to that fact.

 

As a head writer and storyteller, however, his writing for Barbara was ABOMINABLE.  He literally took one of my all-time favorite characters in daytime and turned her into an irredeemable monster whom I wanted off ATWT like yesterday.

 

 

No, I think that was Passanante (although I could be wrong, and probably am).  Believe me, though, the damage had long been done by that point.

 

 

Exactly.

 

Again, as engaging as Sheffer was with everyone, the man simply had no business BEING in this business.

 

 

Thanks, @Franko.  I hadn't read your post yet when I answered Chit's.

[Contessa Donatella]

Going by Tommy's Eulogy he was really a giving, generous man.

 

@Khan, well, what do you get that from? Characterizations? Plots? Uneven/even?

[Faulkner]

Colleen Zenk was, alongside Nancy Lee Grahn, Lauren Koslow, HBS, Zimmer, and Susan Flannery, was one of the few actresses born before 1960 who got a platform in the aughts. It’s no wonder she feels eternally grateful for the showcase, even if she played a gargoyle.

[Contessa Donatella]

You don't count Crystal Chappell?

[Faulkner]

She’s born in 1965. I thought about her too. There are other older actresses who got story as well (Jeanne Cooper, Slezak), but it was a dwindling number.

[Contessa Donatella]

Okay, just so there's an explanation for Crystal not being on a list! LOL

Give me a bit & I'll remember what it's important to tell about it. And, Hi, By the way. Long time no see.

I noticed in the clip where Hoagie was accepting the Emmy that when he thanked Goutman, Marcia McCabe was with him & gave him a big hug & kiss, so they had not split up yet at that time.

[Contessa Donatella]

More who died too young: Whitney Houston @ 49, Shell Kepler @ 50, Kathleen Layman @ 65, Taylor Negron @ 58, Nathaniel Marston @ 40, ... I am going to find more.

[Contessa Donatella]

The umbrella storyline they were going to do was going to be much longer. I don't remember who was responsible for scrapping it & changing Rose's death so drastically. Could have been network interference, could have been Goutman, could have been HW. I think you can ferret out a whole bunch about it from this Usenet newsgroup link, RATSc etc.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs/ATWT$3A$20Lily$20$26$20Rose$20Scrapped$20Story|sort:date/rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs/xafFxREG0r8/v5RtjqOj0-YJ

[Toups]

 

Alright.  LOL  Yeah, I totally misinterpreted your post. My bad.

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    As for the writing of Barbara, maybe Colleen just enjoyed playing a darker role and that's why she loved him/the writing. 

[ChitHappens]

 

I think Colleen and many others, across the board, enjoyed the airtime.  

[Contessa Donatella]

I agree. I remember when Martha first began to use her native New Jersey tongue & I truly thought that "Holden" was gonna bust a gut!

[Contessa Donatella]

Terry Lester @ 53, Richard Biggs @ 44, Ben Hendrickson @ 56, Tom O'Rourke @ 65, Jacqueline Courtney  @ 64, Anthony Herrerra @ 67, Claire Malis @ 69, Virginia Vestoff @ 43, Carolyn Sue Jones @ 53, Charita Bauer @ 63, Grayson Hall @ 63, Samuel D. Ratcliffe @ 50, Robert Shaw @ 51, Vince Williams @ 40, Nancy Addison @ 56, Doug Watson @ 68, Rebecca Schaeffer @ 22, Emily McLaughlin @ 63, Michael David Morrison @ 33, Doug Marland @ 59. THE END

[ChitHappens]

Nancy Addison...

 

[Contessa Donatella]

Yeah, she's above, died at 56 years old.