1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

 

Betty is a comic genius if you ask me, but she often gets into one-note characters. I really did enjoy Sue Ann, but I don't think the character warranted a regular role, as it just became the same scene with Murray or Lou or Mary many many times (I did enjoy the episode where they went to her apartment - hilarious). I thought Rose was a good character in the quiet moments (like when they had the flashback of her birthday after her husband died), and in the early seasons, but in later years the character became reduced to mean-spirited jokes about how stupid she was. The show relied on those too much, to the point where, late in the run, they tried to create some angst over her having a heart attack, it didn't work for me, because I no longer believed the other women (especially Dorothy and Sophia) cared about her. 

 

I think Betty's best comic character was Ellen - she had so many layers, and Betty's charisma/timing were featured at their best. I just wish we'd gotten more of her, but maybe it's for the best. 

 

I forgot her Mama's Family character...  she was the favored daughter that happened to marry well and move up the social ladder.  she loved her mama, yet was embarrassed by her family.  

Eddie Cibrian. 

 

Please TV Gods, stop. His only success was Third Watch, but not thanks to him, it was more of an ensemble show. But after that ended, LORD: Invasion, Vanished, CSI: Miami, The Playboy Club, Rosewood and now he's the star of the upcoming ABC shows starring Rachel Bilson. He doesn't and never will have "star of the show" quality.

 

Also, for some reason, Kevin Alejandro. I like him on "Lucifer", however before that it seemed he was in EVERY show on the television EVERY season. I started rooting for him to get a successful show I wouldn't be watching but he would then stop appearing on EVERY other show I liked.

1 hour ago, CassieFan said:

Eddie Cibrian. 

 

Agree.  He has two major strikes against him: he's boring, and if you know anything about how he and Leann Rimes hooked up, just his name can leave a sour taste in one's mouth.

Alex O'Laughlin. I thought he and Sophia Myles were perfectly fine on Moonlight, although Jason Dohring stole the show as his snarky vampire friend (I know he's best known for Veronica Mars but that's what I remember Dohring best for ). It was canceled by CBS, which I never quite understood (it was replaced by Close to Home, starring another "stop trying" candidate, Jennifer Finnegan), and clearly CBS was also torn, as they put O'Laughlin in what seemed to be 2-3 different shows until he was put in Hawaii 5-0. I've never watched it, as most of my main interest in the original amounted to thinking James Macarthur (RIP) was a very handsome man, but I'm sure he's fine - my parents like him well enough, anyway. It just seems like a CBS programmer though.

 

Poor Sophia Myles. I have no idea where she is now. Coming to the US for that show helped break up her relationship to David Tennant. I suppose Georgia Moffat is very happy for Moonlight's existence. 

Edited February 28, 20187 yr by DRW50
Sophia Myles, NOT Sophie Marceau

26 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Alex O'Laughlin.

 

I DEFINITELY agree.  Sure, AO'L has had some success with the "Hawaii 5-0" reboot.  OTOH, you can watch an episode of that show and almost forget he's even there.  And remember when he did the movie w/ Jennifer Lopez?  All that seemed to accomplish was kill his film career before it even began.

 

26 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 (it was replaced by Close to Home, starring another "stop trying" candidate, Jennifer Finnegan)

 

I knew when I saw her in "Angel of Christmas" on the Hallmark Channel that she'd had it.  IMO, once you land in the Hallmark gutter, you pretty much stay there.  (And I say that as one who LOVES Hallmark movies -- schlocky as they are.)  At this point, JF might as well crawl back to B&B or join some other soap.

Edited February 28, 20187 yr by Khan

Damon Wayans Jr. better be careful or he could be on this list soon. 

I caught a glimpse of Damon Wayans Jr. on an episode of "Happy Endings" and thought his dad had joined the show.  I kid you not.

Edited February 28, 20187 yr by Khan

Delete, I'm an idiot.

Edited February 28, 20187 yr by Vee

Well, I hope it works out for her.  Because, honestly, showing up in a Hallmark movie cannot be good for one's career in the long run.

Never mind -  I was thinking of Jennifer Ferrin from ATWT. I'm really tired.

9 minutes ago, Vee said:

Never mind -  I was thinking of Jennifer Ferrin from ATWT. I'm really tired.

 

Ah.

 

I could be wrong, but I feel like Ferrin is on the verge of landing that huge, star-making role.  Sort of like when Sarah Michelle Gellar was cast as Buffy.

 

Once upon a time, I might have added Jason Isaacs to this list.  He seemed to have better luck in films and limited series than he did in ongoing stuff.  Then, he was cast in "Star Trek: Discovery."  So, who knows?  He might have a real hit on his hands this time.

 

For sure, though, I'd add Jason O'Mara.  "The Agency," "In Justice," the U.S. "Life on Mars," "Terra Nova," "Vegas" -- the guy does NOT belong in a series (as anything other than a recurring or guest star).

Edited February 28, 20187 yr by Khan

17 minutes ago, Khan said:

I caught a glimpse of Damon Wayans Jr. on an episode of "Happy Endings" and thought his dad had joined the show.  I kid you not.

I remember when Daddy Damon showed up on Happy Endings. Let’s just say there’s no doubt about his son’s paternity, and Daddy Damon hasn’t aged since ILC.

 

Jason O’Mara is a GREAT one.

Has anyone mentioned James (Jimmy) Wolk?

 

Two other names: they're writer/producers and not actors.  Nevertheless, the industry needs to stop making Kyle Killen and Bryan Fuller (yes, I said Bryan Fuller) happen.

 

If I had to choose which show runner were the more talented, I'd pick Fuller.  (Killen's stuff is dull to watch and totally unworkable from a series premise point-of-view.)  However, Fuller has two pesky habits: either his shows die a quick (but, I will admit, regretful) death; or, he ends up clashing behind-the-scenes with the higher-ups (usually over budget concerns) and walking away.  

 

Frankly, I think the time has come for Fuller to transition into films.

Edited February 28, 20187 yr by Khan

I just checked and it turns out Close to Home was canceled a year before Moonlight, so clearly I was mixing it up with something else on CBS at that time.

 

Sorry for the decade or so of my tut-tutting, Jennifer. Best of luck with your career...

Just now, Khan said:

Has anyone mentioned James (Jimmy) Wolk?

 

Two other names: they're writer/producers and not actors.  Nevertheless, the industry needs to stop making Kyle Killen and Bryan Fuller (yes, I said Bryan Fuller) happen.

 

If I had to choose which show runner were the more talented, I'd pick Fuller.  (Killen's stuff is dull to watch and totally unworkable from a series premise point-of-view.)  However, Fuller has two pesky habits: either his shows die a quick (but, I will admit, regretful) death; or, he ends up clashing behind-the-scenes with the higher-ups (usually over budget concerns) and walking away.  

 

Frankly, I think the time has come for Fuller to transition into films.

 

Oh I remember that Fox show about Texas oil wells - was it Fox? It was supposed to be a huge hit and when it was a flop there was a collective tsk-tsk and pearl-clutch from critics and the media. I never knew why. 

 

I've already made my issues with Fuller more than clear (too clear, probably), so I will keep it zipped. 

On 2/17/2018 at 7:41 PM, Vee said:

I thought I was the only one baffled by how Mark Feuerstein has kept getting major TV work for what must be close to 25 years. It's astonishing.

 

At least his onetime co-star, Ashley Williams, had the decency or good sense to stay out of regular series (for now) and stick with films on Lifetime, Hallmark and the like.