1 hour ago, DaytimeFan said:

"Hard to believe Dad's been gone 10 years now..."

"Oh, it's surreal."

 

Am I the only one who found this low key shady? 

 

Victor and Nikki's scenes were really good too because they highlighted Victor's soft side. And MTS got to play the Nikki I enjoy - the imperfect one who is a sensitive mother. 

 

I thought the same too. Considering what SSM said about them begging LML not to kill off John, it's entirely possible.

 

That's why I liked the Victor/Nikki stuff so much. It's no surprise they started off their first episode with that side of Victor.

 

 

56 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

Only thing that bothered me was that Billy, Traci, or Ashley didn't toss Jack's transgressions in his face. Jack screwed Jill when she was married to John, and him looking down on Billy is so damn hypocritical. I can't stand Jack so I just wanted him called out on his sh-t.

 

I can't say that wouldn't be fun (although I don't share your Jack hatred lol) but it would have antagonized him too much, and they were trying to appease him. I also don't think either Traci or Ashley would do that, unless they were really pushed, and they just weren't there yet. 

 

56 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

I hope SSM eventually moves Sharon off the ranch. I just want her detached from anything involving the Newmans with the exception of her kids.

 

That house is to Sharon what the Chancellor mansion was to Katherine Chancellor. 

 

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by YRBB

1 minute ago, YRBB said:

 

I thought the same too. Considering what SSM said about them begging LML not to kill off John, it's entirely possible.

 

That's why I liked the Victor/Nikki stuff so much. It's no surprise they started off their first episode with that side of Victor.

 

 

 

I can't say that wouldn't be fun (although I don't share your Jack hatred lol) but it would have antagonized him too much, and they were trying to appease him. I also don't think either Traci or Ashley would do that, unless they were really pushed, and they just weren't there yet. 

 

 

That house is to Sharon what the Chancellor mansion was to Katherine Chancellor. 

 

Victor was totally the most "Victor-like" he's been in years, I loved how he stayed out of Nikki's conversations with Nick, which turned into a nice moment between MTS and JM.....and I even liked the Victor/Victoria bit in the end! 

Pretty solid show, definitely enough to keep me tuning in!

6 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

Victor was totally the most "Victor-like" he's been in years, I loved how he stayed out of Nikki's conversations with Nick, which turned into a nice moment between MTS and JM.....and I even liked the Victor/Victoria bit in the end! 

 

Yes, absolutely, and that was a very nice interaction with Victoria. They immediately started writing Victoria more in character and it did wonders. Hope it continues.

Just now, YRBB said:

 

Yes, absolutely, and that was a very nice interaction with Victoria. They immediately started writing Victoria more in character and it did wonders. Hope it continues.

All the Newmans seemed totally in character, but yes let's hope that continues!
I'm excited for tomorrow to see how Lauren will be, and I loved the preview of Jack rubbing in Phyllis's face that M&L's wedding started the Phick affair....

3 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

I'm excited for tomorrow to see how Lauren will be

 

Easily one of the things I'm most excited about. Poor viewers who have never seen the actual Lauren before! They'll be in for a shock if they go full Lauren.

I hope they have Lauren cheat on Michael and actually allow her to be the sexy independent woman she's always been....

It's funny how little things make such a huge difference on this show. It was an honourable first episode from SSM and KA, and a great way to start off a new era - very subtle and driven by the relationships, history, and dialogue between the characters. 

 

This is the best they've styled Beth Maitland in years, and Traci was the sensible and reasonable core of the Abbott family. They really should use her of a more frequent recurring basis, the Abbots need her as their rock. 

 

AH still sucks ass, but Victoria does seem more in character in this episode than she has in YEARS. If we can't get HT back (or a capable actress) then I can stand the character if written better. 

 

Jess Walton looked gorgeous today and looks like she had a nice dye job since the last time I saw her. I wish she was on contract so they could use Jill more, but I'm thankful her recurring basis is so frequent. 

 

Even Sharon seemed more like herself than years. Now that this crappy story has wrapped up and Dylan's unnecessary ass is soon out the door, I hope they use this time to rebuild Sharon without a stupid ass "crazy Sharon" story. 

 

Victor and Nikki were the most tolerable in this episode than I've seen in a while - this is how they should be, not the chariactures they've been for a while. 

8 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

I hope they have Lauren cheat on Michael and actually allow her to be the sexy independent woman she's always been....

Well, the last time Lauren cheated with Carmine was the last time I found her watchable. 

 

SSM always talked about loving Ashley and Lauren specifically - it will be interesting to see what she does and has planned for both characters. 

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by BetterForgotten

1 minute ago, BetterForgotten said:

It's funny how little things make such a huge difference on this show. It was an honourable first episode from SSM and KA, and a great way to start off a new era - very subtle and driven by the relationships, history, and dialogue between the characters. 

 

This is the best they've styled Beth Maitland in years, and Traci was the sensible and reasonable core of the Abbott family. They really should use her of a more frequent recurring basis, the Abbots need her as their rock. 

 

AH still sucks ass, but Victoria does seem more in character in this episode than she has in YEARS. If we can't get HT back (or a capable actress) then I can stand the character if written better. 

 

Jess Walton looked gorgeous today and looks like she had a nice dye job since the last time I saw her. I wish she was on contract so they could use Jill more, but I'm thankful her recurring basis is so frequent. 

 

Even Sharon seemed more like herself than years. Now that this crappy story has wrapped up and Dylan's unnecessary ass is soon out the door, I hope they use this time to rebuild Sharon without a stupid ass "crazy Sharon" story. 

 

Victor and Nikki were the most tolerable in this episode than I've seen in a while - this is how they should be, not the chariactures they've been for a while. 

Well, the last time Lauren cheated with Marco was the last time I found her watchable. 

 

SSM always talked about loving Ashley and Lauren specifically - it will be interesting to see what she does and has planned for both characters. 

It's a shame that we never got the true payoff from the Carmine story that Sally said she would have gotten at least 2 years off of, but maybe that will someday play a factor, but I want to see Lauren with her edge back and being bitchy to people.....hell she can even make 1 catty remark to Traci for old times sake, LOL 

 

I feel something really awful needs to happen to Lauren for her to revert back to her true personality. She's been reformed for years (unfortunately), so it would be jarring for it to happen overnight. 

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by BetterForgotten

28 minutes ago, YRBB said:

 

Easily one of the things I'm most excited about. Poor viewers who have never seen the actual Lauren before! They'll be in for a shock if they go full Lauren.

I'm definitely excited about that. I only knew Lauren's softer side until I discovered YouTube, i used to side with her completely against, say, Sheila for example, until i saw some of the more classic stuff and how she really used to be and suddenly Sheila seemed to be karma to an extent. I do hope they allow Tracey to go back to her darker ways, she plays it so well. Same with Michael.

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by Y&R21395

2 minutes ago, Y&R21395 said:

I'm definitely excited about that. I only knew Lauren's softer side until I discovered YouTube, i used to side with her completely against, say, Sheila for example, until i saw some of the more classic stuff and how she really used to be and suddenly Sheila seemed to be karma to an extent. I do hope they allow Tracey to go back to her darker ways, she plays it so well. Same with Michael.

That's what made it so great, was that Sheila ended up being Lauren's "punishment" for being the bitch she was in the 80's like Sheila was Stephanie's punishment for her being nasty as well!

I know there's some Sheila fans here, but I really hope they leave her where she belongs - in the 90's. 

6 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

I know there's some Sheila fans here, but I really hope they leave her where she belongs - in the 90's. 

I'm split 50/50 on that one. Ultimately, I hate that they ever brought her back after 1998 at all. But, if they ultimately decide to bring her back, I trust her more under SSM and KA's pen than I do anyone else, including Brad Bell.

14 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

That's what made it so great, was that Sheila ended up being Lauren's "punishment" for being the bitch she was in the 80's like Sheila was Stephanie's punishment for her being nasty as well!

It was fun to go back and watch Stephanie get her comeuppance. As for Traci, I hope she comes back for a longer stint eventually. When was the last time she was ever on this show for more than a few episodes? Am I wrong in thinking it was when Colleen died? 

The show felt like the very staid, reserved conservative show many of us grew up with. There was always some icy about Y&R - not in a bad way - it was rarely frenetic or disjointed - very methodical, intricate and intimate with all the 2 character scenes. Today reminded me why Y&R was always a cut above. I looking forward to watching the new stories unfold. 

I'm glad Sally Isn't just an EP in name only. You could tell she influenced how that episode was directed. Sally McDonald completely undid so much of that modernizing Mal had done and made it very classy with the traditional Y&R directing style. This episode was very character driven, they were written correctly and each scene had a purpose. Obviously on day one she can't just jump start her stories, but it was such a smooth and obvious transition. The class was back. I'm definitely willing to give this a shot.