Yes, this was during the time that Bob married a glamarous drug lord secret agent...and then she had a little thing with her and Frannie(pre Julianne Moore) not liking each other , that went no where, and then she was bored with being a housewife and then starting screwing that guy who was on AMC. To the Dobson's credit they didnt create her, but she was only supposed to be a short term character and they kept her on to marry Bob.

I think its interesting that TPTB and the Dobsons thought that to make the shows "young," you had to have a bunch of teens early 20 doing nothing, but creaky old sets and lighting and the same old storylines were okay. Plus, I don't know if we can blame it all on PG as a couple years later Marland came on and brought back Nancy and Chris and the Hughes and that "family," feeling the show had pre-Dobsons.

I apologize for whatever derailment I contributed to.

I don't and have never had a problem with juniorz.

Not really. After all the grief others are giving you here, mocking junior even lightly is opening yourself up to more trouble.

I apologize. I admit, I was out of line.

Sorry Junior!

Mitch I always love reading your comments about ATWT. I wish more of that time was available to see.

Is it fair to say their GL was the first successfully "contemporized" PGP soap?

It seemed like they were brought to ATWT to accomplish the same thing, only the goals were more aggressive and PGP wanted ATWT to veer far off from the "old person's soap" it had become to be known for.

I think so too--on both accounts. I'm not very familiar with their ATWT (at least with GL I've seen a few episodes and read the detailed synopsis in the 50th Anniversary book), but wasn't one problem that they repeated some similar stories, albeit with less focus on the family (I know some felt Steinbeck, who i hink they created, was an exagerated version of a character on GL)? At any rate, some of that blame--if it wasn't as liked--is due to P&G I think who got worried in the very late 70s about their soaps seeming archaic next to ABC, etc.

Edited January 17, 201312 yr by EricMontreal22

I did admit I am "Out There" so I have the convoluted right to do so...

Anyway, I am on the bus right now so I will talk TO. YOU. LATER!

Meds..meds are your friend...lol

I apologize for whatever derailment I contributed to.

I don't and have never had a problem with juniorz.

Wow...I have to honor this moment...Alvin apologizes...and I always thought you were a cold blooded bastard....lol....of course I say that in all due respect because you earned it...lol...what I am trying to say is that you have earned my respect...I finally get Alvin...lol..took me a while though...lol

Well one viewer in particular seems like they do.

Frankly, if you want to know, soap fans in 1987-1990 were more interested in the Daytime Emmys than the ratings. The ratings were just little boxes in the magazines that the fans didn't care all that much about if the quality of their show was no good.

I can empathize with 'ATWT' fans who felt slighted when 'SB' won 3 years in a row. They were the first soap to do it, and I think many (including myself) feel the same way about 'GH' in the 2000s that people did about 'SB' in the late 80s.

Referring to me....Daytime Emmys were the thing back then but not the best always won...so many soaps and actors who didnt deserve an Emmy have one....I was never envioius of the show since I thought it was a joke IMO. Like someone said ATWT had much higher ratings..so why be jealous...ironically like I said I liked SB once the Dobsons left and Kim Zimmer joined and a family was built around her. I mostly watched when they were on.

I really cant put a finger on it but something was missing on SB that didnt make it a good soap to me. Although I thought the NBC soaps werent that good....I never warmed up to any of them but I did like GH and OLTL and AMC at one time.

VHS?

I think it's pretty clear none of these people were taping SB on the daily, but I'm sure they thank you for the attempt. I'm actually a little surprised some of them didn't try and pretend that was actually the case, since someone is so determined to come in here and be annoying.

Thanks for posting that interview. My negativity will be directed towards the Dobson's and not to you for posting or liking SB.

Interesting interview and she sounds like she is a real pain in the ass and a bit full of herself. I would have to say her writing skills havent improved through the years ("Unleashed the dragon???")

Never got into SB and realize that it is a niche show and its too bad niche shows can't survive. They really got GL but did not in any way shape or form get ATWT. I would love to have someone ask her what went on there. The second half of their short ATWT was better but still "not," ATWT, but it was bouncy, fun, kind of goofy and watchable, they just tore out the family part of ATWT which made it ATWT. The first ATWT was morose and boring and I wondef if that had more to do with their different producers impacting the show and their material.

Anyway, reading this interview made me, for the first time feel sorry for the network suits who had to deal with this kind of "creative talent,' which seems to have its head stuck up its ass!

See, you're an ATWT fan. I actually appreciate writers and creative talent like her. Good for her for being a pain in the ass and thumbing her nose at the suits! If she hadn't, I doubt we'd have gotten half of the awesomeness we got to see on SB (like the "C" sign falling on Mary or Augusta serving Laken's pet pigeon for dinner). I admire her for it and the soap world could use more Bridget Dobsons and less "yes" men like Jean Passanante, Bob Guza, Chuck Pratt, Megan McTavish, Dena Higley, Hogan Sheffer, Scott Hamner, Julie Hanan Carruthers, Maria Arena Bell, and.........................need I go on?

How can you guys complain about network interference out of one side of your mouths, then bitch about an artist who doesn't put up with the network's BS out of the other? That's why we have 4 soaps that are fantastic one day and unwatchable the next.

Hmm...I didn't know anyone at SON is crazy as I am (or Crazier)....

Considering I'm a writer/actor/artist and Bridget herself said that you need to be a little (or a lot) crazy to truly be an artist, I take that as the highest compliment.

I really wouldn't throw any stones if I were you.

Thanks, but stones I can handle, so long as he doesn't throw boulders. Or rocks made of paper mache, like Ron does.

I did admit I am "Out There" so I have the convoluted right to do so...

Anyway, I am on the bus right now so I will talk TO. YOU. LATER!

I this post!

To go back to yesterday - my comments were to Paul Raven, not juniorz, but I also get along with juniorz and I can understand the passion for SB. I agree with you of what I've seen of the Dobsons' run on the show - once they worked out the kinks, it's damn good soap.

I think that some of us, like Y&RWT and myself, are/were hardcore GL fans, so that jumped out at us. I honestly don't think Y&RWT was trying to mock the interview or Santa Barbara. I think he just had his opinion on the show and then obviously everything got heated, or whatever.

Ok, well, good for you guys for being hardcore GL fans. Bridget didn't create GL- she just wrote it for 5 years in the 70s, about 20 years before half of this board was born (I myself wasn't even born until '79).

I don't think anyone was trying to mock the interview. I do, however, think that people in here were undermining Bridget's answers and painting her to be a loony toon ala Victoria Rowell, [S.W.S.N.B.N.] & Brenda Dickson (not that I think they're loony, just that they're painted as such). I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU ALL TO DRAG BRIDGET DOBSON'S NAME THROUGH THE MUD LIKE YOU HAVE THOSE THREE WOMEN. HER REPUTATION WILL NOT BE SULLIED BY THE FANGURLS ON THIS BOARD.

I happen to think Bridget is a genius and think her answers are genius, and to be perfectly frank, those of you who think she's nuts are neither artists nor have the intellect to understand what she's trying to get across with her words.

Perhaps if you actually watched and paid attention to the soaps she wrote (like GL & SB), you'd better understand what she was saying because much of it was thematic of the writing on both of those soaps (whilst she was there).

I am living for this thread!

Nothing like a thread about a soap that's been off the air for 20 YEARS to bring a little drama and excitement to SON.

Hey, it's better than any soap on the air right now.

I apologize for whatever derailment I contributed to.

I don't and have never had a problem with juniorz.

I apologize. I admit, I was out of line.

Sorry Junior!

You guys, there is no reason to apologize to me. Everyone has a right to their opinion and to express it on this board, just like I have the right to disagree with and pick apart all of your opinions. I'm not your mother or your father. I wasn't chastizing you, merely pointing out that you all were just plagurizing a Soap Encyclopedia written single-handedly by some dude instead of doing the research yourselves and forming an opinion based on that.

At least you have a source, unlike the poster below, who I'm about to respond to.

Meds..meds are your friend...lol

Wow...I have to honor this moment...Alvin apologizes...and I always thought you were a cold blooded bastard....lol....of course I say that in all due respect because you earned it...lol...what I am trying to say is that you have earned my respect...I finally get Alvin...lol..took me a while though...lol

Yes, MEDS ARE YOUR FRIEND RON. You need a shrink......and to stop taking all of your anger and loneliness out on the posters of this board. YOU NEED HELP!

I've NEVER thought Alvin to be a cold blooded bastard and I've seen him apologize before. I seriously doubt he cares nor cherishes the respect he's gotten from a crazy person.

Edited January 17, 201312 yr by juniorz1

I think it's pretty clear none of these people were taping SB on the daily, but I'm sure they thank you for the attempt. I'm actually a little surprised some of them didn't try and pretend that was actually the case, since someone is so determined to come in here and be annoying.

See, you're an ATWT fan. I actually appreciate writers and creative talent like her. Good for her for being a pain in the ass and thumbing her nose at the suits! Ifshe hadn't, I doubt we'd have gotten half of the awesomeness we got to see on SB (like the "C" sign falling on Mary or

I may give SB a try. Any recommended clips??

I hope I didn't offend you juniorz I simply meant that I found everything that has gone down to be entertaining. You know I've never had a problem with you!

LOL

As you can see by my Edited response, I got that SoapBoy94. My computer went nutso in the middle of posting and I didn't want to lose the post so I went ahead and posted it, fixed my computer, and came back here to edit it so you all can actually see what I had to say.

I was going to respond to Ron's last post, where he starts off with "Referring to ME" (because who else would he be referring to? ), but why bother? I think we all know by now that Soapsuds' sole purpose in life is to derail and shame any thread that isn't about ATWT and try to annoy as many people as possible.

oh, and to hit on underage boys.

I may give SB a try. Any recommended clips??

Check out the Victoria Lane storyline clips that I posted in DTS: Video Bash. I'm already on PART 51 myself. The story is posted in its entirety on YouTube and starts in Sept of '86.

Just saw your edited post LOL!

I thought you might enjoy the edited version a little better, SoapBoy94.

The Dobsons in the 80's during the SB days.

Edited January 17, 201312 yr by Paul Raven

Great read. I'm ashamed to admit I mever knew Bridget Dobson was Frank and Doris Hursley's daughter! Or I probably saw that at one point and forgot it. I also didn't know Frank and Doris Hursley were writing GH well into the 70s.

Another thing -- you really get a sense of the prestige that came with Procter and Gamble in the soap world in those days. Even to the end, PGP was a brand with some oomph, and they continued to train new writers. All soap writing staffs today continue to have a Procter and Gamble influence.

Edited January 17, 201312 yr by jfung79