Members P.J. Posted October 20, 2011 Members Share Posted October 20, 2011 But fans rarely agree that/if proper motivation is supplied. Case in point---the Julia/Jack/Carly stuff. I would point out that a rich chick who dons a hat and glasses to "run away" from an unwanted suitor isn't exactly "stable" to begin with. Or I'd remind them that Julia got mixed up in Holden's plot to cover up David's murder, R/avid got her hooked on pills, and then blackmailed her, which is the point she "snapped". Yes, Carly was an irritant in her life, but didn't have as much to do with her slide into insanity. It's easier to argue about propping now, when plots move at the speed of light or HWs are much more inclined to "tweak" character's personalities to suit their stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dawn9476 Posted October 20, 2011 Members Share Posted October 20, 2011 Jack being thrown under the bus for Phyllis and Nick twice really ticks me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dawn9476 Posted October 20, 2011 Members Share Posted October 20, 2011 Courtney definitely was not trashed for Nik & Emily. In fact, she and Nik were responsible for Jax being trashed. Though no one was trashed more than AJ was on GH. He was trashed for Sonny & Carly and Jason & Courtney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted October 20, 2011 Members Share Posted October 20, 2011 I've heard that AJ had a raw deal for awhile now, and I just don't remember a lot of that. Can someone give me a brief synopsis of the character he was prior to Sonny/Carly demanding he give up custody of Micheal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 21, 2011 Members Share Posted October 21, 2011 AJ was usually a drunk and a screwup, the family burden. I don't know if it got worse or not, it just seemed so damn repetitive, and forced. I remember the scenes where he got custody of his son (which was written as being a horrible crime against humanity) and every time he held the baby, they would play a tape of a baby crying. Every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted October 21, 2011 Members Share Posted October 21, 2011 Ok. That mostly seems accurate to what I always saw when I started watching at the end of 99'. I never felt that AJ as a character was subverted, he always seemed to be a "loser" figure and was always supposed to pale in comparison to "good son" Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 21, 2011 Members Share Posted October 21, 2011 There were also daily scenes of Emily verbally abusing her family, especially AJ, for not bathing Jason's feet often enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members juniorz1 Posted October 21, 2011 Members Share Posted October 21, 2011 Soap couples really should happen organically, so eventually when other characters begin rooting for them, you've watched it happen over time so it's not propping. Propping is when some character suddenly decides they love this new flavor of the month couple and cheer them on. Villains, organically, should never prop, so a serial killer taking your heroine isn't propping your couple, it's hindering it. It only is propping if you actually hope the heroine is killed because it's been shoved by your throat. Watch Santa Barbara in the 80s and Y&R in the 90s. Any clips will do. It all just happened organically. SB is a better example because it's a show more about love, while Y&R is a show about grey IMO. Cruz and Eden worked because A & Marcy worked. Hard. Very hard. Joe & Kelly worked because they were beautiful and Robin was natural but every girl's dream to be back then. Mason & Julia worked because Julia was the voice of every woman and Mason was the town drunk. Mason & Mary worked because she was a saint, he a sinner, and they were magical. CC & Sophia worked by the grace of Jed Allan & Judith McConnell because God only knows if a couple were never propped on SB, it was them. Lionel & Augusta worked because Louise & Nicholas were two of a kind, symbiotic, and igniting something incredible in each other. 1990 Lionel/Augusta is BEYOND underrated.' Keith & Gina worked because Robin Mattson and Justin Deas are two of the most fearless performers known to man and my goodness, what combustion they had together, how could they not? And because Justin Gocke was cute and, ok, propped em a little. But it was too honest to call it propping back then. Because he'd watched them fall in love and fell in love with the idea of them being in love and HOW COULDYA NOT? And guess what? Alll those ones that didn't work and even a couple who did? They got fired when their contracts came up. And that's how we rolled. So sorry Tori Cain Scott Heather Celeste Lisa *I liked her Sasha * her too Greg Emily Laken 1 and 2 (I some Shell Danielson Laken) Kelly 2 TJ Jeffrey Amy Brick (liked ya) Nick (boring, on second look) Ric ( TOO HOT FOR TV) Hollis I could go on and on. The list of people SB fired is FAR longer than those they hired and kept around, if that even makes any sense, but it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Becki Posted October 23, 2011 Members Share Posted October 23, 2011 Agreed. And Sharon's been trashed for them repeatedly as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members miche Posted October 23, 2011 Members Share Posted October 23, 2011 GH: Jason and everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted October 24, 2011 Members Share Posted October 24, 2011 Trashed isn't even the word for Sharon. Anytime your character's daughter dies & less than 6 months later your character is being written to have an "affair" to justify your character's husband's ridiculous relationship with the REAL town whore? That's Diane/Drucilla/Victoria levels of character destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Peytra Posted October 28, 2011 Members Share Posted October 28, 2011 sorry to start this, but crazy liasonite here. I can't believe no one said it yet, but Liz on GH has been torn to pieces to prop JASAM. Hell tptb tried to fire her. once one of the RARE good girls of PC, her character has been dragged thru the mud. Especially this week, anyone watching. Seriously Maxie standing in judgement. (who drugged Liz's husband in order to get him to sleep with her, than faked a pregnancy-really she's gonna judge. or Monica who raised a drunk and a hit man, she's gonna judge does anyone on gh realize they shouldn't be throwing stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jams1234 Posted October 31, 2011 Members Share Posted October 31, 2011 LOL Rhino I think I was in the original discussion with you elsewhere! I don't think any couple has as many victims as Zen does. I like to use the "propping" term in regards to Zen, just b/c I've seen it from their contingent so often, it makes me smile to turn it back to the Zen bus. I've always maintained the whole propping argument was "silly lame" b/c the made up "definition" constantly changes to suit the needs of the poster. And I laugh my ass off every time I'm told it means "to support that which cannot stand on it's own" YES as if we're discussing a table or chair ....so strange Well..... I was just at that "elsewhere" site and noticed a HIGH number of post pertaining to Zen in a thread about character destruction. LOL Like nearly EVERY post contained "Zach, Zen, Kendall" There were so many I could not even quote them all ....I'll recap some here and I'll repost my post from "elsewhere" Of course many brought up Josh being murdered by Zach......Aidan going crazy and kidnapping Kendall.....Edmund & Maria.....Dixie....Liza and poker Table Sex. ..... Reese and Bianca/ Gabby ..etc etc....... So after seeing SO MANY mention Zen in regards to character destruction ........ ***** WOW WOW WOW!! Are we noticing a HEAVILY recurring theme??!?!? Zen ZEN Zen!! It's nice seeing it acknowledge by so many(too many for me to quote all) , it warms the cockles of my Zen hating heart! But alas makes me sad for the AMC I loved and adore .......for years character after character was destructed for Zen. Thus why I've said for YEARS Zen=DESTRUCTION!!!!! Some victims of the Zen bus of destruction not mentioned would be .....All the victims of the Satin Slayer storyline. Poor Erin & Simone killed and the slew of other victims. It's hard to even keep track of the sheer number of characters that had to somehow be made to hurt Zen in some way so Zach or Kendall could seek vengeance ...or characters that had to be made to do something OOC to further Zen story. (My definition of propping) ***********In Memoriam************ Hannah Ethan Edmund Maria Alexander Cambias Sr. Dixie Jr Greenlee Ryan Adam Stuart Marion Richie Aidan Annie Emma Josh Bianca Reese David Taylor Liza Griffin and to all those I've missed...... So much destruction for Zen filler SHAME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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