I agree. PP played this perfectly. But I believe that Susan Lucci is bigger than PP. She doesn't need them. They (apparently) need her but as long as they keep acting like ABC, I'm perfectly fine with PP rotting in hell, no matter how much I love Wilfred.

ITA, Lucci doesn't need PP. Her brand is bigger than Erica Kane and she's a very savvy survivor.

But PP doesn't need Lucci, either. TOLN is simply a company expansion and they are seeking more investors for that expansion. PP isn't seeking investors to keep their own successful production company afloat. Netflix is taking a similar approach trying to fund new original online programming. When you expand a business, there can be a big risk. It's not really all that surprising PP has decided to focus one getting on product to market instead of two.

I love SuLu but for me there's more to AMC than Erica Kane.

Unfortunately, Lucci, ABC and even Nixon have colluded to make AMC appear 100% dependent on Erica Kane.

Edited November 12, 201114 yr by TeamEric

It's the truth because Lucci, ABC and the press all colluded into remaking AMC into more of a cult of personality, it became more the Susan Lucci Hour. No matter her airtime, it was Lucci's soap, not AMC.

PP is exploiting that truth to their benefit, IMO, to escape blame.

I don't feel like that is true... to me, the show cut off its best supporting characters and decimated its core families to the point where Lucci was its only claim to relevance.

I think the basic heart of AMC was still there at the end, in some ways. The Martins, and some of the idea of life, death, family, hope. They managed to get that back as the show wound down.

I think the basic heart of AMC was still there at the end, in some ways. The Martins, and some of the idea of life, death, family, hope. They managed to get that back as the show wound down.

I tuned in to watch Leo's return and really only enjoyed Adam & Brooke's reunion. David was decimated as a character and all the back from dead gimmicks made me cringe.I felt that was very lazy writing.

Anyhoo, my point was the show became ingrained in pop culture as Lucci's soap. No Lucci = No AMC. It's about perception and marketing vs reality of the state of the show.

Edited November 12, 201114 yr by TeamEric

David was a very oddly written character. I felt like they were actually trying to repair him, with all the "hero" stuff and having him even revive Stuart.

I think Erica is a vital part of AMC, but I think the initial concept of AMC is golden, with the proper writing and producing - I love Susan Lucci but I didn't really enjoy her last weeks on the show that much. I do think the show would need her but I think they could go on without her. But it seems like no one wants to make the effort, or they can't afford to do so.

OLTL of today is so far away from its original concept, and from any coherent storytelling. All RC does is stall, stall, glamorize rape, and wink at his own cleverness. It bothers me that this is going to be what will carry over to PP, if the show carries over at all.

I ask the same question about ALL MY CHILDREN that I asked about GUIDING LIGHT: if there's even the slightest chance of keeping this show alive in some form, what do TPTB have to rebuild on? Yes, we all have our wish lists of characters and families. However, with some exceptions, most of the ones on everyone's lists just weren't as relevant to the show toward the end. In other words, you have to build the new AMC from what's there...and what's there, to be perfectly frank, wasn't much.

Edited November 12, 201114 yr by Khan

I find it hard to believe that investors who don't want AMC without Lucci would readily go ahead with OLTL, which has no Lucci equivalent at all.

Investors are skeptical of the project as a whole they probably couldn't distinguish one soap from the other, OLTL going forward is nothing but proceeding with the one that is most ready. I never heard of any network launching with one show part of the OWN network problems was launching with too few shows.

What are these other programs that will be launching with OLTL there is no talk of them, PP needs to make an annoucement stating exactly what shows will be launching on TOLN besides OLTL and there website is a joke. If you plan on launching anything by Jan you have to come better than this.

I'm not a big fan of Prospect Park right now because I think they're doing a poor job at communication so far - and not just with all of us but with their performers. I can't help but think there's poor communication going on when Hartley and Mathison, two of the signed PP actors, have no idea what's going on. For all the actors they didn't contact like Willey or Strasser, would it hurt to drop a we give a crap letter or e-mail to these actors? I'd like to think there's going to be a learning curve towards a positive direction with communication eventually, too.

Angela, I don't ever recall a member of the soap press being so critical of PP before. I really commend you for your statements.

I ask the same question about ALL MY CHILDREN that I asked about GUIDING LIGHT: if there's even the slightest chance of keeping this show alive in some form, what do TPTB have to rebuild on? Yes, we all have our wish lists of characters and families. However, with some exceptions, most of the ones on everyone's lists just weren't as relevant to the show toward the end. In other words, you have to build the new AMC from what's there...and what's there, to be perfectly frank, wasn't much.

I think that GL had a little more to build on, mostly because they still had quite a few longtime cast members who were likely willing to move on to a web series - two of the biggest at the time (Grant Aleksander and Crystal Chappell) were even happy to move it online it P&G had let them buy it.

I'm not sure where to go with rebuilding OLTL or AMC. I think AMC's original spirit began returning towards the end, but that may not be enough. The real problem is dead weight - signing up anyone like Mathison or Easton is a mistake.

I think AMC had a lot to build on. As far as characters are concerned, the show had a defined core of Martins, Chandlers, Kanes, and Hubbards. Despite the lack of success with Caleb and Asher, they could have easily been used as jumping points to bring back more established Cortlandts. For most of Dave'n'Don's tenure and Lorraine's return, I don't think the show was ever too far away from it's classic persona that it could have never eased back into its quintessential identity, either.

I've long believed that both GL & AMC reached a point where they were no longer salvageable. No matter how beloved an institution something may be, sometimes the best option is to just let go.

AW & ATWT could have gone on for several more years, but I'm honestly (in hindsight) glad that they ended when they did (though I remain furious that their replacements were such pieces of s#it), so both soaps were able to go off the air with some dignity left. Quality wise, I feel that OLTL is currently in a similar position as AW & ATWT were at the end; that's why I'd prefer to see it end now and go out with its head held high. (I'm really worried that under PP's direction, OLTL will become as bad as GL or AMC became.)

Edited November 12, 201114 yr by Max

Now the Jamey is saying that "Prospect Park's inability to make a deal w/ V. Irizarry is a factor in #AMC reboot stalling. Stories were to heavily involve David." So I guess now people will blame Irizarry.

Shouldn't Jamey be making his game plan for November 24?

Max, I don't think I was all that critical. Just pointing out some obvious missteps that appear to be at play. I don't believe there's really any kind of malicious intent from Prospect Park. IMO, it feels like they took on too much too fast. It's going to be a learning process for everybody involved. I'd like to think it'll be a process that works out once things are ironed out.

I've long believed that both GL & AMC reached a point where they were no longer salvageable. No matter how beloved an institution something may be, sometimes the best option is to just let go.

AW & ATWT could have gone on for several more years, but I'm honestly (in hindsight) glad that they ended when they did (though I remain furious that their replacements were such pieces of s#it), so both soaps were able to go off the air with some dignity left. Quality wise, I feel that OLTL is currently in a similar position as AW & ATWT were at the end; that's why I'd prefer to see it end now and go out with its head held high. (I'm really worried that under PP's direction, OLTL will become as bad as GL or AMC became.)

I'd say OLTL as of now is worse than GL was at the end.