No, it's not like that. The Yankees and the Red Sox play a game. They compete with each other. One will win. Either one will win. You can jeer the other side because it puts them at a disadvantage.

AMC and that food program are not competing with each other, so it's absolutely pointless to boo someone who has no control over anything whatsoever. Besides her atrocious style. But that's not the point.

I do think Frons set them up to compete against each other when he basically said people don't want soaps, they need food shows, because they're stupid and fat and bored and need something to educate them.

I don't think she should have been booed, especially since I've never heard her say a bad word about soaps or soap fans or anything, but Frons did make it into a competition.

I thought the fight came before she was written out. I thought the fight happened in the fall, and Carmen was written out on New Year's Eve when she showed up as Jack's date.

Yeah I remember her last airdate as being in early January

I thought the fight came before she was written out. I thought the fight happened in the fall, and Carmen was written out on New Year's Eve when she showed up as Jack's date.

I think you're right, though it seemed obvious by that point they had no interest in her and I don't think she had been shown much...

Some of those pictures are bizarre--liek the last shot, a very out of focus shot of Jenny and Greg, they couldn't find a better one? And umm http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/photos-all-my-children-through-the-years-1.3186295#26 what's that? "Eva Larue Callahan And Kristoff St. John guest star on "For Your Love" in All My Children. Photo Credit: The WB/Greg Schwartz" Huh?

Does it not strike ABC as odd to pair a food show with a show about losing weight? I know The Chew is meant to focus on health food, but knowing how Mario Batali cooks, and lives, I find it all kinds of mixed messages. Not that would matter to a tv network.

I do think Frons set them up to compete against each other when he basically said people don't want soaps, they need food shows, because they're stupid and fat and bored and need something to educate them.

Frons didn't set them up as competition, soap fans/SOS/ the soap press did.

Frons may be a colossal dick but this isn't on him. It's on the people who are looking for someone to blame. I'll always be pissed as hell at Dawn Ostroff for canceling Veronica Mars but I couldn't begin to tell you what replaced it. Hating on the replacement is just being ignorant. ABC didn't cancel soaps because the replacements were that attractive, they went looking for replacements because they wanted to get rid of soaps.

IDK, I just think it's tacky and in poor taste to boo someone who did nothing to soap fans, regardless of what she represents. It's not proactive. in this case, it's counteractive because now we have another example of "Look at the crazy soap fans!" I'm all for protest, but what is booing at David Ruffin supposed to solve?

That's a good point--I think because the saytime soap schedule has been (for good and bad) so static for so long, timeslot does become more of a habit. I loved Veronica Mars, but couldn't even tell you for the life of me what time it aired at now, or even what night--so I never built up a loyalty to that time slot. But rationally, you're right.

Some of those pictures are bizarre--liek the last shot, a very out of focus shot of Jenny and Greg, they couldn't find a better one?

I think it is an artistic statement on their part. Times marches on and Jenny and Greg are obscured by the mists of time. I see a Pulitzer for this photo/article.

LOL! And they seemed to loe random behind the scenes pics at that damn yacht club...

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Frons didn't set them up as competition, soap fans/SOS/ the soap press did.

Frons may be a colossal dick but this isn't on him. It's on the people who are looking for someone to blame. I'll always be pissed as hell at Dawn Ostroff for canceling Veronica Mars but I couldn't begin to tell you what replaced it. Hating on the replacement is just being ignorant. ABC didn't cancel soaps because the replacements were that attractive, they went looking for replacements because they wanted to get rid of soaps.

Yes but Veronica Mars was just replaced by another show. Frons was basically saying the genre is dead and that the people who watched it are dumb and need to be educated.

Yes but Veronica Mars was just replaced by another show. Frons was basically saying the genre is dead and that the people who watched it are dumb and need to be educated.

Not dumb & educated, they need to be trained

Not dumb & educated, they need to be trained

Yeah Frons treating the audience as stupid and clueless started long before ABC cancelled any of these shows and probably before he joined ABC. Wasn't he involved with some production company in the UK responsible for some the big reality hit shows over there?

Yes but Veronica Mars was just replaced by another show. Frons was basically saying the genre is dead and that the people who watched it are dumb and need to be educated.

Guess what? Just like Veronica Mars, AMC was "just replaced by another show." Nothing more.

As much as I hate to defend Frons, why wouldn't he, or anybody else, be completely justified in declaring the genre dead? When was the last time a new soap was introduced? What "genre" has ever suffered the same rate of audience attrition? Port Charles, Passions, GL, ATWT, AMC, OLTL and yes GH have all been canceled, so obviously Frons isn't the first or only person to decide that soaps aren't viable.

And I'm sorry but the whole "people are dumb and need to be educated" thing is basically just bitter, angry, disgruntled soap fans projecting their own [!@#$%^&*]. I've seen a variety of reactions from people to The Chew but only the soap fans choose to play the victim. Just like with The Talk, the soap diehards are fixating on imagined claims of how these shows will perform just so they can feel good when they don't live up to them.

And I'm sorry but the whole "people are dumb and need to be educated" thing is basically just bitter, angry, disgruntled soap fans projecting their own [!@#$%^&*].

How is it when Frons HIMSELF said that viewers need to be trained? It's clear he thinks the audience is dumb

It's the death of daytime drama on ABC and what the genre represented to the viewers. These shows were, for a time, iconic (well AMC was anyway), and their cancelations were handled, IMO, in a poor manner.

As much as I hate to defend Frons, why wouldn't he, or anybody else, be completely justified in declaring the genre dead?

Frons can say what he wants, but when he gives a pitch canceling these shows and essentially says it's time for shows that will educate stupid fat people , which is how I took his remarks in that video message, then he's setting this up in a very tacky way.