Was that Siobhan only seen today?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiFO7DY2nJ4&feature=channel_video_title

Edited July 28, 201114 yr by miche

Someone on another board said Garin forgot about Dawn when Monica was talking about her children being gone. Never even knew she had a daughter named Dawn. I looked it up and its understandable that he forgot. The character was only on the show for 3 years played by 4 actresses.

Maybe Siobhan will have a tumor and have a quick death

What a lovely sight... the Horse's face under broken glass! Too bad it's only figurative.

Was that Siobhan only seen today?

She had a scene with Lucky.

Ugh Shawn, stop making me like The Horse today. How random were Steve and Olivia today...

Siobhan please die.

I actually like Carly with Shawn. CASH?

Great Monica/Liz scenes! Glad she wasn't upset with Liz. She would have no reason to be.

I love Carly and Shawn as well.

Siohbhoe whoever....needs to be shot. I can't with that accent. Loved the Nik/LuLu stuff.

I'm seeing a change in this show and it's only been 2 eps. I hope this "change" continues.

How is Liz hurting Lucky? Siobhan is calling Liz out on stuff that happened a year and a half ago that she wasnt around for! Liz more than paid for that crap and one cant say it was simply discarded bc for months, every single day someone was calling her a whore, tramp, slut, etc.... She got blasted big time for cheating on Lucky. That wasnt simply ignored. She shouldnt still have to pay for that and definetly not from Siobhan. She had absolutely nothing to do with that

I guess what it comes down to is that just because it may be dated doesn't mean that it's not true. Specifically because all of this stuff Siobhan is saying is still so very true and accurate. Liz wants Lucky in her life and she wants Lucky to come back to her so she can endlessly cheat on, abuse and hurt him further when he is barely healing from her last injury. Everything Sio is saying is true.

Liz has cheated three times on two husbands and it's often all swept under the rug as if it doesn't matter. She is still the victim in everything. Lucky couldn't even hold it against her because she was institutionalized afterward and Nikolas made him feel guilty for 'punishing Liz' as he called it. The man can't even be mad at her for her indiscretions and consistent cheating.

Can I just say how refreshing it is that one character doesn't view Liz as this perpetual damsel in distress, heart of gold victim and is calling her out on her selfish actions which have caused pain and heartbreak for herself, others, young children and other members of her own family, friends and co-workers? I get it Becky plays Liz sympathetically and everyone wants to give her cookies, warm milk and comfort hugs and pats on the head but that doesn't mean that Liz is any less despicable as a mother, wife and woman.

I tend to think the show is now using Siobhan to convey the feeling of the general audience about this character. I don't think despite the online rah rah for Liz on a couple of message boards, she's generally a well liked character or viewed in anyway as a heroine. I am taking that from commments one of the writers on GH had in an interview about the Jason/Sam/Liz triangle about 6 months ago. I think she generates buzz online and why females especially pitted up against her tend to garner more support than they had. I think shes a great soap character, I just don't find her the heroine or moral good girl they try and portray her as and thats a failing of the show and the writing. And this is all JMO so don't read anything more into that. BUt I think the character in general has gotten a free pass by those who have been considered the moral centers of this show now, people like Robin, who giggled at her affair with Nikolas without a thought about Lucky and her engagement to him at the time, and now champions her going after Lucky again. She almost kills 2 patients at the hospital but Robin thinks its ok for her to be back.

Even though people felt Liz was gutted during the Liz/Nikolas affair, only Lucky and Lulu called her out, Lucky forgave her in a week, she got institutionalized for what no clue,they never did explain it, and she got her own personal "named actress" patient to be used to say "hey what you did was ok because I did it too" and was just a mistake of the heart. Sure Carly, Sonny, and Jason get free passes but Carly and Sonny are not considered "good moral" characters and Jason is a boring robot.

I agree completely on this. A lot of fans are saying JJ's Lucky is being propped and primed as one of Guza's go to characters but the same could honestly be said for the character of Liz. I would even go as far as to say that Liz is probably viewed as one of those moral centers that you mentioned which is what makes this all so incredibly annoying because she still has her halo so to speak. In theory Liz is a very sympathetic character. She is an artist, a nurse, a mother and a rape victim so she has a back catalog of sympathy in her character history but I despise the way she is written as if nothing she has done is bad or holds any weight/consequences and it's all skimmed over as if by passing accident.

She broke her family apart, shredded Lucky's heart for no reason and continued to lie about her baby's paternity constantly and it was all swept under the rug as if it didn't matter or if it did it didn't matter for long because well she is Liz goddamn it! and give her a break her baby died! She gets free passes! This kind of writing/thinking/portrayal of Liz is what has made me dislike the character to the point where I was rooting for Carly, Sam and Rebecca to claw her eyes out for her lies and her resulting hypocrisy all the while Lucky was endlessly demonized for his infidelity with Maxie and made an unknowing cuckold twice due to Liz's actions and cavorting with Nikolas and Jason.

It's funny because there's so much truth in what Siobhan is telling Liz. Yes, she's stalking her in their confrontations but at it's core it's the fact that Siobhan has her number. She sees that Liz has always been content to play the victim and rely on men than take control of her life. And if it's not Lucky then Jason as evidenced by her literally rushing into his arms to be comforted. And before that she's was waffling between "loving" both Lucky and Nicholas in her cheating. In order to deflect blame off herself, she tried to put the affair on Nicholas and accuse him of chasing her.

Helena said it best... "The girl wears desperation like she wears perfume". Best line of the day.

So much word to this.

Edited July 28, 201114 yr by Skin

EEEE Monica again !!!

I love a good rivalry/daily bitchfight on my soaps to but GH trying to make it happen with Liz & useless ass Siobhan just isn't cutting it for me. That girl needs to scurry on back to Ireland already. If Garin wants to stick to GH history and roots like he's said numerous times, he'd go back to (IMO) one of GH's money rivalries - Liz vs. Sam! And yes, with the Borg in the middle!

Edited July 28, 201114 yr by AllmyDaysatGH

The only rivalries that I want to see with Jason is Jason vs Death, with Death winning

Sonny sitting on the stoop and the lady putting money in his cup was hilarious! And he didn't say word.

Edited July 31, 201114 yr by reallyhateskateonlost

To be honest when I saw Sonny on the steps, I thought they had brought the Brownstone set back. I should have known better

Siobhan continues to be a miserable b-tch. Im undecided on whether I want to see Lucky annull his marriage and dump her or if Id rather her just be killed off. The latter sounds like a good option but I dont want to see him grieve for her. She isnt worth the tears

Edited July 31, 201114 yr by Cheap21

Honestly I hated Liz while GV was Lucky. It's only been since JJ's return and the intro of Sio that I find her the most likeable of the three.

For me its only been since Jake's death. Ive always hated Siobhan and Im still bitter over GV's dismissal to care for Lucky like that anymore. Im no Liz fan anymore, but I dont hate her as I did just earlier this year. She was at her absolute worst with Jason a few years ago.

Ugh can someone tell Epiphany to sit her fat ass down somewhere? I couldn't believe she yelled at Liz for being suspicious that some guy was trying to get into the drug supply closet who had no hospital badge. She had every right to be concerned.

As for Carly vs. Robin, I dont even know which side to take here. Hate Carly but I think Robin overreacted a little bit here.