As much as I like OLTL, I'm not in the camp that it should be saved. I want to see it establish end game in it's remaining months and have a good finale. After 43 years, it's hard to see where else the show can go.

Any energy should be focused on having classic episodes made available online, there is plenty of stuff available that would be of interest to soap fans.

With all due respect--why the final question?

Not a problem. My question was genuine in that I seriously want fans to truly think about what they can do to save their soaps. The first instinct is to blast the network, the executives, threaten to boycott, gather a list of sponsors, call, complain, etc, but nothing ever comes of it. So I was asking what people can do if they truly thought it out. I know what we'll be doing at Soap Opera Network, but I truly want to know what soap fans think they can do beyond the first instinct.

Not to come off as lazy or crass, but at this point I don't think there is anything that can be done to save these two shows or any of the 4 remaining shows. The point of no return in my mind was crossed years, if not a decade ago.

There wasn't a lack of outcry about ATWT because there was nothing anyone could do about it - it was obvious as soon as GL was canceled. I don't believe that ATWT ending caused OLTL or AMC to go. That was in the planning stages for a long time. If ABC was less wildly incompetent and less consistent in failing again and again and again and again in both daytime and primetime, OLTL probably would have been gone several years ago, and AMC before the LA move.

Anyone who ever does try to do anything about a soap being canceled, even if it's just writing a letter to a network, is often sneered at, and dismissed as delusional or desperate or unable to get with modern times or hip programming (hip as in ABC raiding other networks for anyone they can find to prop up two timeslots they are essentially washing their hands of anyway). There's always a stigma to being a soap fan, not just from society in general, but, as soaps have become less prominent in pop culture, from a lot of other soap fans.

It's easier to just accept it, both because that's seen as the cool thing to do, and also because there's no real way of changing this.

So the future of TV is essentially a Hugh Hefner girlfriend going on Dancing With the Stars and saying she can't be elegant because she has her period. Or Kirstie Alley falling down. Or some MTV puppets punching each other and everyone around them.

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Not a problem. My question was genuine in that I seriously want fans to truly think about what they can do to save their soaps. The first instinct is to blast the network, the executives, threaten to boycott, gather a list of sponsors, call, complain, etc, but nothing ever comes of it. So I was asking what people can do if they truly thought it out. I know what we'll be doing at Soap Opera Network, but I truly want to know what soap fans think they can do beyond the first instinct.

That's a great aswer. I think it may be too soon to ask that question.

There wasn't a lack of outcry about ATWT because there was nothing anyone could do about it - it was obvious as soon as GL was canceled. I don't believe that ATWT ending caused OLTL or AMC to go. That was in the planning stages for a long time. If ABC was less wildly incompetent and less consistent in failing again and again and again and again in both daytime and primetime, OLTL probably would have been gone several years ago, and AMC before the LA move.

Anyone who ever does try to do anything about a soap being canceled, even if it's just writing a letter to a network, is often sneered at, and dismissed as delusional or desperate or unable to get with modern times or hip programming (hip as in ABC raiding other networks for anyone they can find to prop up two timeslots they are essentially washing their hands of anyway). There's always a stigma to being a soap fan, not just from society in general, but, as soaps have become less prominent in pop culture, from a lot of other soap fans.

It's easier to just accept it, both because that's seen as the cool thing to do, and also because there's no real way of changing this.

So the future of TV is essentially a Hugh Hefner girlfriend going on Dancing With the Stars and saying she can't be elegant because she has her period. Or Kirstie Alley falling down. Or some MTV puppets punching each other and everyone around them.

Word. LOL

Not to come off as lazy or crass, but at this point I don't think there is anything that can be done to save these two shows or any of the 4 remaining shows. The point of no return in my mind was crossed years, if not a decade ago.

Of coure not, but why complain when people try? (and this is NOT directed at you Adam)

Rex sucks.

I did like the Viki stuff.

Edited April 18, 201114 yr by CarlD2

Not to come off as lazy or crass, but at this point I don't think there is anything that can be done to save these two shows or any of the 4 remaining shows. The point of no return in my mind was crossed years, if not a decade ago.

I think when Another World was canceled, that was the start of the end of soaps and there was nothing that could change it.

Of coure not, but why complain when people try? (and this is NOT directed at you Adam)

Oh I know its not Eric, because while I don't think their efforts will amount to anything, I don't think I've ever once been critical of soap fans trying to fight to keep their shows alive. Its one thing for the online fandom to be critical of the "delusioned" and "out of touch" soap fans, but when you have a network trying to run and hide from the opinions of the people that basically indirectly pay the bills of your daytime bloc.... there's something hideously wrong. Like many have asked, just who does Brian Scott Frons think is going to watch something called "The Chew?" I know, I know.... extensive audience research tells them there is a market out there.....

Also they just hired Tom Casiello.

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10018013.shtml

that is so bizarre. I loved wrestling 10 years ago when they had all the soap opera stories, but part of the charm of the stories were they were all fairly moronic. I hope a real writer doesn't try to smarten them up too much.

As it stands, GH will be gone by September 2012.

is that unofficially official?

It sounds as if Sweeney wanted exactly that to happen. My question is, how on earth could middle-man Frons stop what Sweeney and presumably ABC/Disney Corporate wanted? Maybe he locked down the ABC Daytime Offices and would only let people go if GH was given a reprieve.

The rumormill says "she cancelled all three soaps" but Frons saved one (GH) in his video he said point blank GH is safe "for now." Rumor also has it that Disney wants GH gone by 2012 Some say January others September. Part of Frons job as HOD is to develop new programming that is what he was hired to do from jump. So where in daytime was he suppose to put this "new programming."

I first read rumors of cancellation in 2003. Also rumors during the time of Soapnet, that Frons wanted to move the soaps to soapnet with a smaller cast to lessen production cost .I thought that was why soapnet was created to eventually move soaps there but since he tanked that it never happened and its been cancelled. But the first rumor I read I was booed off the stage "oh that will never happen ABC owns soaps blah blah...but its come to pass 8 years later. Personally I always thought Frons wanted soaps gone.

I think by 2015 they'll be gone.

2015? No. More like 2013 - and that could be even sooner if CBS and NBC decided "To hell with it!" and canceled the remainder of their contracts w/ DAYS, B&B and Y&R.

I fully expect you catty bitches to be as mean to Mario Batali as you've been to Kim Zimmer.

Furthermore, we will not be covering Jersey Shore nor will we be covering the Real Housewives of 300 cities on Soap Opera Network.

What the [!@#$%^&*]?

Later, bitches!

;-D