OMG!! ME TOO!! Always, always, ALWAYS!

Yup, every time I catch that thread title in the corner of my eye. Maybe it's a subconscious assonance thing?

I think what I hate most about today's soaps is that they aren't offering anything you can't see elsewhere - in many cases, they are offering worse version of stuff that was already an embarrassment 10 or 20 years ago. I'm not saying soaps should try to do all sorts of crazy things, but I at least wish they were able to reclaim some unique place in television. I think trying to be like primetime is the biggest reason for the irrelevance of soap opera, more than any cultural changes.

I think what I hate most about today's soaps is that they aren't offering anything you can't see elsewhere - in many cases, they are offering worse version of stuff that was already an embarrassment 10 or 20 years ago. I'm not saying soaps should try to do all sorts of crazy things, but I at least wish they were able to reclaim some unique place in television. I think trying to be like primetime is the biggest reason for the irrelevance of soap opera, more than any cultural changes.

ITA. The last great innovator in daytime was Linda Gottlieb, and even she gave up on it after Disney took over and started trying to micro-manage her casting decisions.

Edited April 20, 201114 yr by Carolyn1980

SOD: 20 things they want to see on AMC before September

http://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/20-things-wed-see-amc-september

I know I'm in the minority, but oh the [!@#$%^&*] I could give about Jack and Erica... period, let alone walking down the aisle, and it even bothers me a little that that tops the list. I guess they wanted to start with someting Erica-related, but...

They also cheated with putting flashbacks twice, and honestly, as nostalgic as I am there isn't time for a bunch of flashbacks. Especially if they're going to be the same ones that always get dragged out. Comb the archives and give me a Tad/Jenny/Jesse/Angie flashback that we haven't seen in forever, a forgotten Mona and Erica scene that has yet to make a highlight reel, stuff like that.

I was watching What's Happening!! last night where OLTL alum Thalmus Rasula (Bill) and AMC alum Lee Chamberlin (Lee) were getting married and yet again I implore them to have her back at least once. There is SO much going on for Angie not to have her mom.

LOL yeah and I say no thank you on the Bianca & Marissa one, cause it's contrived enough the thought of her possibly being a lesbian, but now bi sexual? Why can't Bianca have a LESBIAN partner, ugh

There needs to be one last mention of those we lost over the years...Phoebe, Langley, Charles, Mona, Palmer, Myrtle, Kate, and Nick. I want Agnes and Lorraine to incorporate as much of the show's early history as possible, whether through flashbacks or with the mention of long-gone characters. God help me if the final days are filled with endless scenes of Rylee and Zendall talking about their future hopes and dreams. I have no illusions that Rylee and Zendall WON'T be a huge part of those final weeks, but Agnes and Lorraine need to be left alone to do their thing and not be scrutinized 24x7, with no one standing over their backs to make sure that it's just about them with Erica as guest star. Now is the time, after all of these years, to finally stop with all the agendas and write what viewers really want to see. End of rant

If LB and AN weren't writing the end, but K&S were, the end would be about All My Castillo's

Ugh, they want Erica's end to be about nothing more than a man? Thanks but no thanks. Hopefully AN sticks by what she said and actually has Erica work through her issues. I don't want J&E because the show is pressured to end her with a man.

I like Bianca and Marissa. And David does need his license back. (I'm wondering if they're going to bring him full circle and have him save Erica to get his license back?) Angie and Jesse deserve a happy ending, yes. The rest, eh. I like flashbacks, but lets have them tell the story, not just be random.

ITA. The last great innovator in daytime was Linda Gottlieb, and even she gave on it after Disney took over and started trying to micro-manage her casting decisions.

I was thinking about LG when I mini-ranted on FOJ. I found it very curious that ES would say that LG wasn't particularly good for the show. I think she was one of the best things that ever happened to OLTL. And I don't know, maybe she was a little arrogant and industry people got their feelings hurt because she tried to reinvent the wheel or whatever when her efforts should have been widely applauded. I think the fact that this woman walked away from the show on her own accord (how often does that happen?) and the entire industry in general really said a lot.

And I don't know, maybe she was a little arrogant and industry people got their feelings hurt because she tried to reinvent the wheel or whatever when her efforts should have been widely applauded.

From a production standpoint, Linda Gottlieb did a better-than-average job of updating OLTL for the next generation of soap viewers. Unfortunately, I think she needed a HW who respected the show's particular and unique history more. Most of the time, I felt Michael Malone would have been more comfortable working on a show of his creation rather than someone else's.

From a production standpoint, Linda Gottlieb did a better-than-average job of updating OLTL for the next generation of soap viewers. Unfortunately, I think she needed a HW who respected the show's particular and unique history more. Most of the time, I felt Michael Malone would have been more comfortable working on a show of his creation rather than someone else's.

I think in the long run Malone's stories damaged the show quite a bit (making Todd a Lord, and the sexual abuse angle which later writers used way too much), although he did have a lot of talent.

I think that Gottlieb did a lot to help OLTL move forward, she introduced some fantastic characters, but I guess I can see where Erika had some doubts.

I was thinking about LG when I mini-ranted on FOJ. I found it very curious that ES would say that LG wasn't particularly good for the show. I think she was one of the best things that ever happened to OLTL. And I don't know, maybe she was a little arrogant and industry people got their feelings hurt because she tried to reinvent the wheel or whatever when her efforts should have been widely applauded. I think the fact that this woman walked away from the show on her own accord (how often does that happen?) and the entire industry in general really said a lot.

What really gets me is that people like Robert S. Woods and James DePaiva disliked Gottlieb so much, that they led the charge in making sure OLTL wasn't nominated for best show the whole time Gottlieb was there (this was before they had the process where shows submitted episodes to even be nominated; at this point, nominations were made before anyone actually was required to watch). I guarantee OLTL would've had at least two, possibly three best show wins during her tenure if the show had been nominated. The year OLTL swept half the acting categories (HBS, RH, and SH) and won best writing, it wasn't even nominated.

Or he could mandate that they treat her like a dayplayer/extra in the finale, much like the way Eileen Fulton was disrespectfully treated on ATWT's finale.

Poor Eileen, what Goutman and P&G did to her in the finale was one of the most cruel things I have seen on television.

I think he knows he's hated enough already to pull some dirty [!@#$%^&*] like that, but if she did get the boot, that crafty Frank and Ron would whip up her finale scenes and save them in the can until the end.

I think Frons would totally do it. But I do agree that crafty Frank and Ron would get her scenes in the can and just dive bomb Frons with them for the finale. Neither of them has anywhere to go at ABC, why not right?

The year OLTL swept half the acting categories (HBS, RH, and SH) and won best writing, it wasn't even nominated.

And the year it did win, I thought, was such a fluke. Of course, why begrudge it now? It'll probably be their only one. :-(

Edited April 20, 201114 yr by Khan

They also cheated with putting flashbacks twice, and honestly, as nostalgic as I am there isn't time for a bunch of flashbacks. Especially if they're going to be the same ones that always get dragged out. Comb the archives and give me a Tad/Jenny/Jesse/Angie flashback that we haven't seen in forever, a forgotten Mona and Erica scene that has yet to make a highlight reel, stuff like that.

"Pine Valley isn't exactly the corner of Hollywood and Vine..."

"You ruined me with your SWEDISH MEATBALLS!!!"

"*Greenlee and Kendall fall in the pool*"

"*Angie cries over Jesse's dead body*"

"*Jenny smiles her ass off on the jet ski......and it explodes.*"

"*Erica gives birth to Bianca*"

"*Erica models at the Met*"

"*Kate Martin blows us a kiss*"

Get creative with the flashbacks, ABC! Damn! I do want one long montage just so that we can get a glimpse at characters who don't need to return (or can't) but were still important parts of the show at one point. Give me some Estelle, some Lucas, some Gloria, some Dottie, etc. Just little glimpses in a montage would be fine.

LOL yeah and I say no thank you on the Bianca & Marissa one, cause it's contrived enough the thought of her possibly being a lesbian, but now bi sexual? Why can't Bianca have a LESBIAN partner, ugh

Honestly, I do not get why there's so much hostility to the idea of Bianca being bisexual. Daytime ain't barely done sh!t for us switch hitters, and we have what looks like an opportunity for Lorraine Broderick and Agnes Nixon to collaborate on a storyline about bisexuality. I'll be damned if I give that up just because some people want to pretend like we don't exist.